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Great post. This coming weekend is an exciting time for our family. My wife is taking our oldest daughter (now 12 — yikes! Where do I get a teen-sized Burqini?) to the YW broadcast for the first time. I’m thrilled for them (and a bit jealous that dads can’t go). Trumps Earth Hour for sure. |
The YW broadcast may go on, but the SLC Temple will be going dark for Earth Hour. |
Hey, the lights in the chapel at least will be dark! |
DKL–that is a fun milestone. Meet them for ice cream after (or before, since it gets so late for us). L-d Sus–that is interesting. I am pretty sure the Broadcast will be over before Earth Hour hits SLC, but for those of us in the east, we just have to choose. |
The real problem is that man-made climate change is a hoax. I’m sorry to see that D&M have bought into it. |
Bookslinger, since everyone will be turning out their lights, it’s fitting that Donny and Marie aren’t the brightest bulbs. |
Including the Church ? The real problem is many do not see the problem Lights out » LDS Church, Utah’s capital city join worldwide event The Salt Lake Tribune Updated: 03/27/2009 12:07:08 AM MDT Many times the Las Vegas Strip and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints don’t see eye to eye, but they will this Saturday. During “Earth Hour,†Sin City and the iconographic temple of the Saints go dark for 60 minutes beginning at 8:30 p.m. local time as part of the worldwide effort to focus on climate change. The World Wildlife Fund, organizer of Earth Hour, has signed up 2,400 cities in 82 countries. That’s eight times as many participants as last year, when more than 36 million people took part. The lights-off hour is called a potent symbol of what can happen through collective action. “Climate Change is a growing international crisis no country can afford to overlook,†said Egypt’s First Lady Suzanne Mubarak. “Global warming negatively impacts the environment as well as the health and livelihoods of people worldwide. “Earth Hour heightens awareness and brings hope to the preservation of our shared planet’s precious environment today and for generations to come.†Salt Lake City will be participating by turning off the lights at the downtown City County Building. Marriott hotels worldwide will be a part, as will McDonald’s, the National Geographic Society, Wells Fargo and other businesses. The lights on the Salt Lake Temple will be turned off 8:30 – 9:30 p.m., said LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter. But lights associated with public safety, including those illuminating the sidewalks and visitor ——————————————————————————– Advertisement ——————————————————————————– “Prudent stewardship and wise use of resources are principles that Church leaders have emphasized throughout the history of the Church,†said Trotter. “The Church encourages its members to join with their fellow citizens in supporting worthy programs that will make their communities better places to live and raise their families.†|
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html |
No, it doesn’t. It’s just a fad. The moral equivalent of a hula-hoop. Only it will be forgotten much more quickly. Turning off your lights for an hour doesn’t make the world a better place any more than not flushing your toilet for a day. Frankly, it disturbs me that the church is using the House of the Lord to make what amounts to a political statement. |
Being righteous stewards over the earth’s resources is not political but moral. |
The first time the church participated in this a couple of years ago, they turned out the lights in the Church Office Building — not that anybody was there, but hey, symbolism is symbolism, right? But they turned off the lights using some kind of a master switch, and turned them back on the same way. The problem is that whatever switch that is, is all or nothing. That meant that ALL the lights came back on, even ones that are normally off, such as the ceiling lights in the library over the microfilm readers. Those are normally off to allow enough darkness for reading films, but there is no switch in the library that controls *only* those lights. Each ceiling light in those areas — dozens of lights, with four flourescent tubes in each one — had to be turned off one at a time using individual switches in the electricians’ closet. It took days and days for the technicians to get around to the library, after having worked on similar problems throughout the building. It’s hard not to imagine that the power wasted by all those unnecessary lights through all those days (never mind lost productivity because you couldn’t read the washed out films in full light) was greater than the power saved by turning out the lights that virtually no one could have been using during Earth Hour. But hey, symbolism is symbolism, right? |
B Tippetts: Being righteous stewards over the earth’s resources is not political but moral. Please explain how turning out the lights for an hour constitutes being good stewards. Seriously, not flushing the toilets for a day would have a more positive impact on the environment. And it would be more memorable. Ardis, that’s the best story! |
Yes indeed , the Church is making a statement for a greater concern. Earth Hour is awareness action. It makes people stop and think about our environment. The Church is sending message with awesome visual effect. Maybe the next step is to put solar panels on top of the Conference Center. LDS Church going green maybe. |
DKL: A no flush day…memorable indeed! A great and terrible idea. B Tippetts: The church has already taken some steps to “green” chapels. They are building a LEED certified (environmentally considerate) chapel in Eagle Mountain, Utah. |
Ardis: that is the craziest sounding light switch in the universe. How could any building be wired like that? |
I’m OK with the Salt Lake Temple lights dimming for the ocassion, but turning off the Las Vegas Strip should be reserved for events like Frank Sinatra’s death. It’s a violation of some sacred principle, maybe the two master thing, for the Strip to observe Earth Hour. |
Frank is dead. DEAD. Like Elvis. Leave them be. |
John Mansfield, I agree. |
BrianJ, I don’t know how it worked. I only know that it did work that way. And it was a mess. The COB tries to be greener in a few ways. The water in the fountains and waterways on the plaza is recirculated (although I suspect greenies would prefer that no landscaping or waterscaping be done at all), and a time or two when the city had a water emergency for a few hours because a break in a pipe allowed mud to enter part of the system the cafeteria has switched from dishes to paper cups and plates to minimize the water used for dishwashing. “Awareness action.” Like protest marches around the temple block or protesters chaining themselves to the federal building doors or the PETA newsletter that complained that man was the only species to drink the milk intended for another species’ offspring (yeah, right. Here, kitty, kitty!) — they make me aware of an issue, but certainly NOT in the way the participants imagine. The causes they represent are made foolish, and in reaction I’m far more likely to go overboard in the opposite direction in order not to encourage the “awareness” actors in their stupid stunts. If you want my cooperation, appeal to my better nature; don’t make your cause pointless at best. |
Go Ardis! My feelings exactly. |
Part of the key to this is each of us doing our part. Some of it is bigger than we are as individuals. Most of you have heard of T. Boone Pickens idea of a combination of alternative energy and converting to natural gas for transport. I think they are having an email march on Washington coming up in early April. It is an exciting time in our history – should be very little negative about it as I get the feeling most of you will agree. I’m going the EV route at present with more to come as, if and when I get the funds. A lot of it has to do with getting us all involved and this little show, while insignificant in some way, certainly won’t hurt. Love Donny and Marie’s happy faces connected with it. |
Ardis, I think you make a valid point. For many of us it is natural to kick against gimmicks. You say, “appeal to my better nature.” What parts of green-thinking (for lack of a better phrase) appeal to you? I ask sincerely as I would like to steer my own rhetoric away from gimmicks and towards higher thinking and substance. |
What Ardis said. |
“Frank is dead. DEAD. Like Elvis. Leave them be.” As long as we remember them, then they’re not really dead. That’s how TV has explained death to me. |
When one is trying to determine if increase of global temperatures is human induce and its effects on ocean levels, please view this Nova documentary. Perhaps the LDS Church is on to something. |
Part of the key to this is each of us doing our part. Some of it is bigger than we are as individuals. Most of you have heard of T. Boone Pickens idea of a combination of alternative energy and converting to natural gas for transport. I think they are having an email march on Washington coming up in early April. Nice to see someone else has been suckered by T. Boone. (The guy’s a frustrated oil billionaire. Who’s taken a beating in the market. Who wants to reclaim his former glory. Who’s latched onto alternative energy. Because he wants money. Not that he really cares about the environment.) |
I think they are having an email march on Washington coming up in early April. What exactly is an email march? A flood of email on congressional staffers (who don’t read them anyway)? |
Power bills are real. Asthma is real. Who cares about whether or not climate change is real (except for eskimos living on small islands off of the Alaska coast who have evacuated because of rising sea levels in that area). A little less coal power being used in some places. But shoot, in my day, we shoveled coal into our basement furnace and coughed up small rocks from all the soot, but that’s the way it was and we liked it. Just turn off your damn lights for an hour. Why not, right? Now if we could just arrange a number of “no driving” days and “no energy consumption whatsoever” days, we’ll be exceptional stewards of whatever it is we’d be stewards of. |
Looks like us global-warming deniers aren’t the only folks who think that Earth Hour is a dumb idea. Al Gore didn’t even participate. |
“Yea, all things which come of the earth, in the season thereof, are made for the benefit and the use of man, both to please the eye and to gladden the heart; Yea, for food and for raiment, for taste and for smell, to strengthen the body and to enliven the soul. And it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to excess, neither by extortion.” Doctrine and Covenants 59:18-20 There is a LDS environmental ethic. |
Tippetts, The LDS environmental ethic is obvious and well-documented. And not all environmental ethics are created equal. For instance, I despise Gorean Climate Change as the stuff of lies, for the most part. It was one more thing for liberal politics to attack the Bush administration- evidence of which has been the extreme loss of traction nay, validity, of the idea as of late. Environmental stewardship is one thing. Hype is another. |
B Tippets: There is a LDS environmental ethic. This is laughable. A statement that mortals must use his environmental resources with judgment does not constitute an environmental ethic. |
But it is clearly so much more than just “A statement that mortals must use his environmental resources with judgment.” That scripture, along with many others, indicates that there is more to creation than just to sate the desires of our consumption. That some of creation is for pleasure, the soul, happiness, smell, regeneration, etc. And where is the line drawn? Our needs. Do we need an SUV that gets 12 mpg? Do we need a 4,000 sqft house with all the energy costs associated? Probably not. Its not a condemnation of those that own those things, but rather a way for us to assess our lives and our place in the world and stewardship over the earth. Is Earth Hour a gimmick? Sure. Has it gotten hundreds of millions of people around the globe thinking about and talking about our environment? It has. It may not appeal to everyone, but it is certainly not a bad thing. |
Al Gore is not my source knowing that the increase of global temperatures is man induced. Please present alternative documented theories. . I have presented my sources in my earlier posts. Using our resources in moderation and not in excess put less strain on the environment. Over deforestration in Haiti has gone to extreme, where upon good soil is being depleted for adequate sustaining agriculture. We over consume in food and throw away $40 billion worth each year. Our sea coast are dead zones with out adequate fisheries because man made waste run off of toxic chemicals. Coal plants are polluting the air and water with toxic chemicals to the point that some fish and fowl are not safe to eat. Utah dirty air has become worst in the nation at different times , from which we have been warned to stay in doors. All is not well in the center of Zion and I do not think God is well please what we have done to his creation. To take all we can from the earth with out reclaiming it where we can so it can sustain us is immoral. Yes indeed being righteous stewards over our earth resources is a moral imperative among Christians. To do other wise harms the body temple we dwell in. We have the right to life which requires healthy air, water, and food. This is a God’s gift to us that must be preserved. We are to accept this gift with righteous responsibility. When the LDS Church turned off the Temple lights sends a strong moral message to us all. Let us try to understand the message the Brethren are presenting. |
Yes, we do. My wife and I lived in a 1300 sq foot condo with our three kids. We were ready to ritually sacrifice the kids. We live in a Texas McMansion now. Our kids are still alive. So, as a good leftie I am sure you can appreciate the pre-emptive reduction in the prison population which my larger house directly caused. |
Lancaster: All is not well in the center of Zion and I do not think God is well please what we have done to his creation. At this point, I think that God is mostly just pissed off about your comments. |
Thoughts from our prophets and other LDS. Mormons Speak Out on… Ezra Taft Benson: The outward expressions of irreverence for God, for life, and for our fellowmen take the form of things like littering, heedless strip-mining, heedless pollution of water and air. 2 Gordon B. Hinckley: This earth is [Christ's] creation. When we make it ugly, we offend him.3 Alexander B. Morrison: [O]ur current way of life is simply environmentally unsustainable. The immensely complex and still not fully understood systems that sustain life on earth are being destroyed by human activities.4 Richard F. Haglund, Jr. & David J. Whittaker: Dominion over the earth is not a license to plunder, but a sacred trust to conserve life and protect the environment.5 Alan J. Hawkins, David C. Dollahite & Clifford J. Rhoades: [T]he hearts of today’s fathers and mothers are turned to the children when they begin to care about what kind of natural environment their descendants will have. “Cursed” and “utterly wasted” (Mal. 4:6; Joseph Smith–History 1:39) are accurate descriptions of what the earth will look like if practices of reckless disregard for the natural environment continue.6 Terry Tempest Williams: If we act on the premise that we are not alone, that other individuals and creatures have wants and needs, that our definition of community is not just human-centered but creation-centered, then we begin to engage in a spiritual economics that promises to be more unselfish than our present relationship to Other.7 Ted Wilson: Though it is true that…people must make a living, it is also true that the forces of development on an increasingly crowded planet threaten to tear down our temples of nature. We must seek wisdom and temperance that go beyond the equilibrium of the marketplace. 8 Walter van Beek: Though possibly far-fetched, one European LDS style might be the development of a ‘green Mormonism’. Ecological issues weigh heavily in Europe, and European members sometimes wonder why church leaders say so little about ecological problems. Mormon doctrine easily can accommodate an involved partnership with the environment. 9 NOTES |
President Barack Obama signed into law today a conservation plan that will protect 2 million acres of wilderness and preserve monuments, trails and rivers across the country. “Our lands have always provided great bounty,” Obama said today as he signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act, which won final approval last week. “What these gifts require in return is our wise stewardship.” Obama said Monday the most valuable things in life are those already possessed as he signed a massive public lands management act. The law protects land from California’s Sierra Nevada mountains to the Jefferson National Forest in Virginia, as well as expands wilderness protection efforts. The new law authorizes as much as $10 billion in spending for wildlife and land protection. It also adds 2 million acres, or about 800,000 hectares, in nine states, including Utah, to the National Wilderness Preservation System. That system currently consists of 10 million acres, or about 4 million hectares, in 44 states. The measure combines more than 150 individual environmental bills in 1,294 pages to conserve water and protect 1,000 miles of scenic rivers. It also blocks mining and drilling on millions of acres of federal land. The measure is the culmination of years of effort by conservationists, sportsmen and localities to protect large and small swaths of land across the country. The legislation also includes the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis ——————————————————————————– Advertisement ——————————————————————————– |
Re: 33 The simple answer to your question about a 4,000 square foot home and an SUV with 12 mpg is yes. And, for me, it is an absolutely guilt free yes. When the Laurie Davids of the world give up their multiple homes and mansions and private jets then I might consider downsizing for the environment. On second thought, to follow Laurie David on anything would be really stupid so I’ll stick with my adequate home and 2! gas guzzling SUVs. Last Saturday during this stunt I was watching “Monster v. Aliens” with my 9 yr old while my wife attended the Women’s broadcast at another member’s home. While we were out, we followed Mr. Gore’s lead and intentionally left the lights on in our empty 4,000+ square foot home. |
RE: 37 What does stewardship over the environment have to do with your ability to repent and follow the Saviour? Since the answer is nothing, why in the world would you look to church leaders for guidance in this area? I’m not sure their opinion in this area is entitled to any more weight than yours, so why trot out a series of opinions from leaders on topics over which they have no spiritual jurisdiction or, to my knowlegde, any particular expertise beyond a fondness for nature? What’s the point? Just because ETB did not like strip mining, I should also abhor the practice?!?!? Am I in some sort of spiritual jeopardy if I respectfully disagree? If you’re going to try and appeal to authority, next time choose the correct authority. |
rbc, Only heedless strip mining is abhored. Then again, it doesn’t take a prophet to see how the practice (as well as many other practices) needs to go the way of the Flintstones. I tend to agree with what Church and other wise leaders have said about environmental stewardship, but only as a matter of personal philosophy. That said, I don’t think there is overwhelming doctrinal support for environmental activism. But I can find more good reasons than bad to turn off my lights for one hour. And regarding the 4,000 square foot McMansions and SUVs- as long as their not in forclosure/collections and recently furbished, you can bet the house and car are relatively energy efficient- and the suburban home comes with open space to reduce the urban heat island and therefore, Global Warming. Attacks on such things are usually narrow and misguided. |
Re 41 Trust me, this silly environmental stunt was the farthest thing from my mind on Saturday night. The lights that were left on in our empty home were done so unintentionally and out of haste to make the movie on time. But, had I thought and/or prayed about this silliness, I can guarantee I would not have sat in my house for an hour in the dark to show support, especially while the Pitt-Villanova game was on. (priorities, priorities) But, I didn’t leave my lights on as a reaction to those who turned theirs off. I don’t know how energy efficient my 2007 Toyota SUV is, but I do know the damn thing rarely gets more than 12 mpg. If energy efficiency can’t improve mpg, what’s the use?!?!? |
Rbc. Will Gordon B Hinckley do? Gordon B. Hinckley: This earth is [Christ's] creation. When we make it ugly, we offend him.3 The LDS Church leaders has always spoken out on secular matters. |
rbc, Relax. No need to get so defensive. I made it pretty clear that the examples of the big house and the gas guzzling car were just examples. I’m not saying it is necessarily bad to own those things. The point is that we live in a society where we are encouraged to consume, consume, consume. It is to the point where we derive personal worth and meaning from our possessions and our ability to buy and consume more than the next family. We are too far removed from the production of our goods and the negative consequences of our consumption. We don’t realize what the impacts on the earth are and we have completely lost contact our environment. I think we would all benefit individually and as a society if slowed down, consumed less of everything, and were more conscientious of the global impacts of our decisions. And, of course, I say this realizing that I have a lot of room to improve, just like everyone else. |
Lancaster, President Hinckley’s statement is apodictic. It takes zero prophetic/priesthood insight to make such a statement, and I write that as a huge admirer of President Hinckley. My wife, who holds no priesthood and likes President Hinckley more than me, could have made the same statement. My 9 yr old daughter knows as much. The rub is how to define beauty? Does President Hinckley get to define beauty, or is that something which is left to individuals, companies and governments to sort out? I submit we can all reach our own definition of beauty and act accordingly, with no spiritual consequences. Personally, I’d like LDS leaders to speak out on more important secular topics like the NCAA tournament. I’d like to know which team the Prophet likes this weekend-Villanova or Michigan State. I’m pulling for Michigan State, but I haven’t digested all the GA and Prophetic opinions on what makes a national champion and until I do so, I’m not sure whom to root for. More importantly, I want to know whom the Prophet likes in the Women’s tournament. A lot of upsets in that tournament which makes picking the eventual winner more difficult. |
rbc. Make sure you watch Conference this week end you will not go wrong. Please pick the sayings of our leaders that support your own paradigms. I know you will do well . Change is hard. |