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we love attending church on vacation. heck, when we don’t have a sunday calling, sometimes we visit other wards just because it’s fun for us. but i get what you mean about needing a break. four kids five and under, especially with a husband who works on sundays, leaves me wishing we could take a break once in a while. or at least bump to a later sacrament meeting! |
I also LOVE attending church on vacation. For me, it IS a break, because I don’t have to fill all my callings, I can just go and enjoy. I think when I have my own family, I’ll still wrestle them to church on vacation so they can see where my priorities are. |
My uncle always attends church no matter where he is. I do not know how he does it, but without fail he has always done so. |
We always attend Church while we are on vacation or traveling for whatever reason. Counting quickly, we’ve been to Church in five countries on three continents in the last year. Particularly now, while we live away from the Church, we enjoy the opportunity to fellowship a little. Almost as much, we enjoy seeing how things work in other places. Amazingly, I don’t think we have even been anywhere without being able to make some kind of two-degrees-of-separation type of connection, the Church is so small that way. Both my wife and I grew up in relatively small branches and visiting those “mission field” units is a bit nostalgic for us. Picking out the same characters who exist in every unit, the Branch mother, the socially inept family that thrives within the Church while failing in everything else, the know-it-all Utahns who aspire to be perceived as urbane or traveled, the kook, the long haulers who have seen a thousand people transition through their unit, the little old ladies who feed the Elders twice a week. Maybe those same personalities exist in larger units but they are lost in the crowd, whereas in a branch there are proudly on display. Some of the smaller units really benefit from visitors also, even if it is only for a Sunday or two. If your kids double the size of the primary or you are able to give the same three people who have been giving the prayers in SS a break, kudos. The only downside is the packing, Church clothes for the family take up half of a suitcase. But for us, not going is like driving through the town where your parents live and not stopping to see them. |
I like the idea of Church on vacation (and have enjoyed it in the past), but I haven’t vacationed in a while and wonder what I’ll do next time. The difference is my kids. I think I will always do Sacrament, but I wonder about staying through the other two meetings. It is no sweat for me, but it can be stressful on kids to go to a Primary (especially a big one) where they don’t know anyone, AND the strain on the Primary workers (especially in small Primaries). If a Primary teacher who regularly has 3 kids suddenly has 7, whose parents are “taking a break” in Sunday School, it can be hard. What if they brought something special for their kids that week and didn’t bring extras? What if one or two of the visiting kids is reluctant to be there or a downright stinker? Then these kids become a huge distraction to that unit. Every July, we lose about half our ward (or at least it feels like it) to participation in the HC Pageant. So while our ward goes to a skeletal program, we have an influx of travelers who come to watch Pageant–it becomes a huge imposition on our programs. While the adult classes overflow with vacationing adults, our poor Primary workers are working overtime. It starts to look a lot like babysitting. |
We usually take a religious holiday. We spend a few summer weekends in New Hampshire where the nearest branch is an hour away so we would spend five hours on a Sunday for Church – We could be back to our ward in two hours so we skip it most of the time and really enjoy those Sundays off. |
For family reunions, my dad would get permission to bless and pass the sacrament, so we’d have our own meetings. Very sweet memories. |
As you don’t want to appear to be the jerk Utah Mormon spreading the one true gospel. But you’re depriving those Saints of the experience to complain about you and jerk Utah Mormons behind your back after you leave. This is a core part of *their* worship. Don’t deny them. |
A good portion of our holidays are visiting family, so we go to Church with them. (Although, attending a ward in the SLC Avenues can be dicey some common holiday weeks, as the visitors outnumber the natives in EQ.) A lot of Sundays find us driving back to North Texas from wherever we were, to be back at work on Monday morning. We’ll do our own Church in the car on those Sundays. When I’m traveling on business over a Sunday (I hate business travel, and even moreso on a Sunday), I look for a ward to attend for sacrament meeting only. Makes the travel a little better. |
I’ll attend local church if I’m traveling on business and I stay over a Sunday. It is a respite from work and since my kids aren’t with me, it’s a time for quiet worship. We attend church as a family when visiting someone else who is attending their own ward. If we’re traveling as a family, away from other believers (a true vacation), then the 100-mile Travel Exemption applies to Sabbath observance. |
We used to make an exception for “visiting family on Sundays” if they didn’t have a functioning nursery, when we had nursery-age children. In those cases, we might only go to sacrament meeting. I know some Avenues wards that never bothered calling nursery leaders, since they didn’t have any of those children. Visitors were shown the nursery, but you were on your own… |
We always go when traveling. Some of the best meetigns I have attended are in wards that I would never normally attend. One such example is a fishing/beach trip the fam took to the Texas coast. We attended a small largely Hispanic ward that spoke English. It was awesome. |
makakona (#1), If you feel like you need a break from Church, is that because Church is a drain, or is that the influence of Satan? :) It seems to me that if taking a break would make you feel better about Church then wouldn’t it be a good thing to do on occasion? Michelle Glauser (#2), I am glad that you enjoy Church while on vacation. I used to as well. Recently attending meetings isn’t as much of a “break” as it used to be. I should probably clarify that I didn’t mean this post as a critique of those that attend every Sunday no matter their location. I think that it admirable. Brigham T., I think your comment is very interesting, though I was on the verge of writing it off after you speculate that I need more examples in my life. :) I’ll reiterate what I said above to makakona: If Church is a bummer does that mean there is something wrong with me, something wrong with the 3 hour block, or something wrong with those that make is a bummer? Personally, the problem isn’t just boredom, but that Church really isn’t made for little people. Especially toddlers that aren’t yet old enough for nursery. I don’t see how subjecting myself and my toddler to that is efficacious. I do like your idea of bringing a visitor, but I’m not very likely to find someone on vacation to take to a ward that is not my own. |
MAC (#4),
I think this is a lovely sentiment. I also agree with your comment about making connections. Due to BYU and the missionary program the Church is very interconnected. ESO (#5), I think that there is a lot of babysitting that goes on in Primary and nursery. In our ward there are two sets of grandparents that attend sacrament meeting, rush home, grab their grandkids from their inactive live-at-home children, and then drop them off in primary and nursery. If this stirs feelings between members of the same ward I can only imagine which it must be like for your ward during pagent time. Devyn S. (#6), I was beginning to think that I was the only “bad” Mormon around… Thanks for sharing. |
Margaret Young (#7), Our family reunions usually involve going to Church, so our religious holidays aren’t a hard fast rule. Maybe we need reunions in more isolated places so we can pull that off. queuno (#8), Yours is the only comment that has made me consider that I may need to repent. |
I sometimes think those who have no toddlers or those who have long since raised them underestimate the absolute futility of sacrament meeting with them. I go because I’ve always gone, and because I think it sets an expectation for the rest of my kids’ lives, but if I want anyone else to enjoy their sacrament meeting, I have to be doing full-court press parenting for all of the 70 minutes. I haven’t caught much of any talk for about three years. And to haul them to a ward they don’t know so that I can subject a totally new congregation to their exceptionally loud shrieks makes little sense to me. |
Don’t forget by visiting a ward, you’re helping boost their average attendance, and ward budget allocation. I think the ward budgets are allocated on a quarterly basis. Does anyone know the dollars per head count that a ward gets? I seem to remember it’s something like $10 (per quarter) times average sacrament mtg attendance. Given 12 sacrament meetings per quarter. (52 per year minus 2 general conferences minus 2 stake conferences) that’s about 83 cents per meeting for each person in attendance. Is that right? |
Bookslinger, The allowance varies. But the count only gets taken for the last month of each quarter. So if the ward is doing things correctly it only matters if you show up in March, June, September, and December. |
We usually skip church. With 5 children, it’s just too much of an effort to pack Sunday clothes, make sure that the kids don’t wear them before Sunday so that they stay clean, and then get them all ready for church. When we had fewer children, we typically went. Since I’m the ward secretary, I still do agendas, appointments, and schedules even when I’m out of town. But a day off of church is a 7-hour time savings for me not including the time it takes to get the kids ready — 6 hours of meetings and 30 minutes each way to church. It’s even worse for members of the bishopric, who have to stay later to do interviews and tithing counts and such. I’ll bet members of a bishopric really enjoy travel. Thankfully, I’m just not bishopric material. Seriously, Elder Richard K. Klein, an Area Authoriity Seventy, told me that guys like me shouldn’t even go on missions, and I wholeheartedly sustain him. I’m not sure whether that makes it sinful to be a guy like me, or if he’s referring to some constitutional defect outside of my realm of accountability. It’s probably a bit of both. In any case, it seems to preclude any calling requiring the high priesthood, and that suits me just fine. |
it’s just too much of an effort to pack Sunday clothes… Not to mention scoping out the neighborhood beforehand to make sure there are no clouds of obscenity to walk through. |
I’d LOVE to know Elder Klein’s definition of “guys like [DKL].” |
Peter LLC: Not to mention scoping out the neighborhood beforehand to make sure there are no clouds of obscenity to walk through. Good point. |
Whoo. A lot of this stuff it familiar. My folks rsaeid me Catholic too, but unlike some, they made sure to not foist any one part of the faith upon me. In fact, they told me right before I was confirmed that I should go out and research other religions, stretch my spiritual legs, get an idea for what is out there. It took me a couple of years, but by and by I found myself graduating towards Catholicism. Turns out, I like a lot of the ceremony and pomp, but that’s just me. An important part of that, though, is being aware of my own whys. Eenyway over the years I ended up dating a profusion of ladies of varying credos, and it wasn’t until I met a very nice warm and fuzzy non-denominational girl that I knew I’d found my match. My wife Genevieve and I don’t share the same background; in fact, there have been time when her friends and family have acted in a less-than-christian fashion towards me and my faith. But you know what? I don’t give a crap. Gen and I understand that fundamentally we both believe in the same thing: the all-encompassing love of out maker for his children. And as far as differences in worship who cares? Do you really think that the creator of the universe gives one fig for what kind of robes a priest wears, or whether he is or isn’t allowed to marry? Nah. Splittin’ hairs, that’s all. As far as the whole baptism thing goes, we baptized my son, something non-denom’s don’t typically do, but only after we came to an understanding as to what the whole process meant. Baptism isn’t all about a kid having OG sin; it’s about promising to raise them up as best as you know how, and being a good (and more importantly, moral and Godly) example to them as they grow. It’s ceremony. Do it and make the promise to keep them on the straight and narrow, or don’t. But don’t go into something like that with a heart that isn’t in it. Kids sense that kind of thing, and it sends a pretty bad message. If you do believe in God, pray on it, for real, and decide what is going to be best for your family, and for their faith. Good luck! |