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I blame Western society and its literalism and scientism. The best preparation would be reading Genesis, Exodus, the Pearl of Great Price, and then “The Hero with A Thousand Faces” and/or “The Power of Myth” by Joseph Campbell. Somehow we have to teach ritual and symbolism. |
I was thinking about this recently, as my brother prepares to go through. If this is worded wrong, please take it down. My understanding is that the signs/tokens/names are secret, not the covenants, right? So would it be bad to say “you will be asked to promise (a,b,c,d)”? Also, the initiatory was awkward but incredibly inspiring. (I was endowed in 2005, two days before my wedding) |
Make sure you take them to Catholic mass for at least a month so they get used to the ritual and imagery of a real ceremony. I think most of the shock comes because our youth are never exposed to ritual, ceremony, liturgy, etc. as are many other youth in different faith traditions. I blame it on our unstructured, social-oriented, sometimes irreverant Sunday meetings. We follow the Baptist – Protestant model too much and then when they go to the Temple, they are expected to accept the ritual they have been conditioned to reject everywhere else. |
I basically agree with 1 (discuss and understand ritual and symbolism before one goes) and 2 (would it be so bad to tell someone what they will be committing to before they go?). I’m not sure that we should encourage going to Mass a pedagogical technique for understanding our own covenants. Recollecting, I got my endowment because it was a requirement for my mission. I got to do two sessions about a month before my mission (in DC, 7 hours away from home) and one in SLC the day before I went in the MTC. My wife has always commented that in her opinion, brides should receive their endowment a week or two before the wedding, so that it becomes a separate event, and not a checklist item for the wedding. (Then again, she served a mission. But she also received her endowment before she actually received her call.) My aunt recommended that I read the PoGP before I went. That was the extent of my prep. It made it helpful. |
I went through the temple the week before getting married. On that day, an hour before my scheduled time, my fiancee and I met in the waiting area just past the point where they check your recommend. And he quietly talked me through everything that would happen. I had a very positive experience. |
I just received my endowment a month ago, after 12 years of active service, including two opportunities to teach the Old Testament. That is the best prep – studying the Old Testament (and Pearl of Great Price). The other advantage that I had in waiting all of those years (in hopes my husband would join, although that hasn’t happened) is that my testimony of the church had 12 years to stregnthen. So, when I went, although what I experienced was definitely surprising (and I took the classes), it was NOT negative. It amazed me. Having an understanding of the Old Testament, I felt special being a part of the rituals. The best advice I can give (and it would not be to wait 12 years) is to explain to someone that what they will experience in the temple is completely different from the way we worship outside of the temple, but that it is very special and takes years (I’m assuming) to gain a competent understanding. I cannot wait to go back. Tomorrow, in fact. (p.s. I do see a disadvantage to men an women going as part of the process of serving a mission or getting married. It is such an important event in it’s own right, and should be treated as such.) |
Jettboy: Good point. I haven’t read either book by Campbell, but I’ve heard “The Power of Myth” is very good. Katherine: I think you’re right that we should at least be told what we will be asked to covenant to do. There are some serious commitments in the endowment ceremony, and it seems right to let people know what they are getting into. Michael: Interesting idea; not sure how effective it would be, but I definitely agree with your larger point about the need for more exposure to ritual. Who knows? Maybe that’s a practical way to do it. Ahna: Glad you had a good experience. I think your experience underscores the point of my post. We really need a more formal way to prepare people so that they get the kind of info that you were lucky enough to receive at the last minute. |
I told my youngest brother to make sure that he gave Leviticus a good read (focusing on the clothing and ceremony, not the animal sacrifice) before he went to the temple for the first time. I think that should be required reading before you enter. Nothing would surprise you after that. |
As I think back on it, I liked learning about the endowment from the endowment. There are few truly surprising or novel experiences at church, and I’m glad one of the few wasn’t taken away from me. |
BCC had a good thread on the inadequacy of temple prep classes a while back. Put simply, the temple prep curriculum is horrible. Summed up, it says: “1. Go read the creation story in the PoGP. 2. Symbols work symbolically. 3. The temple is great.” That’s not to say that there’s no potential in temple prep, just that our current execution of it stinks. |
Whoops, hit submit too early. I was going to paste my comment from that thread, where I suggested the following introduction to a temple prep class (and implied overhaul of the curriculum): “Let me tell you exactly what happens in the temple endowment: after being blessed, washed and annointed, you will dress yourself in sacred clothing, and hear a retelling of the creation story and of Adam and Eve. This story will have some familiar elements, and some new ones. You should understand that this story is meant to have symbolic meaning about your own journey through this life and your relationship with God. You will also make several serious covenants with your Heavenly Father; although very important, sacred, and serious, if you have ever been interviewed by a Bishop, you should not expect anything shocking in the content of these covenants. In this class, then, we will research the scriptural and historical significance of: the temple, the priesthood, washings/annointings, sacred clothing, the creation story, symbolism as a teaching principle, your relationship with God, the nature of covenants, and the application of scriptural teachings to yourself as an individual. This will prepare you for the teachings, setting, and ritual of of the temple endowment.†|
Christy and Sam: Thanks for the OT recommendations. Sam, I would suggest that someone should focus on the animal sacrifice; that’s much weirder than anything that goes on in the temple today so maybe it would give some perspective! John Mansfield: I like a good surprise in church as much as the next guy. But I’m more into surprises like, “Because it’s Mothers’ Day, we’re going to dismiss everyone after sacrament meeting” (this happened in my ward last month). As opposed to, “Here’s your dad and a few relatives dressed in strange clothes doing secret handshakes” kind-of-surprises. Bro. Jones: Well said. Thanks for the link and info. Good stuff. |
I was actually thinking about posting on this same subject. I think all the suggestions made so far are great. Can I add one? People should get debriefed after going through from their own endowment. They should be able to ask any question they want to and have someone there that can at least attempt to answer. I think we don’t discuss the temple nearly enough in Church and other appropriate venues. I think a lot of people have negative first experiences because of inadequate preparation and our unwillingness to talk about it. I think that in some ways we blame the person if they don’t have a great experience, when we should be blaming our culture of secrecy at the expense of understanding. |
Tagore, This is a similar story to that of Pres. McKay- he was really bothered by his first temple endowment. Of course, the endowment has been “toned down,” for lack of a better phrase, since Pres. McKay first went through. |
This is a similar story to that of Pres. McKay- he was really bothered by his first temple endowment. Interesting; got a source? I don’t remember reading that in the bio that came out a couple of years ago (which constitutes most of my McKay knowledge). |
President Hinckley and others have openly discussed the content of the temple covenants. Quote them. See http://www.mormonmonastery.org/why-covenant-to-the-unknown/ As to what exactly happens, here is my attempt to explain. As to President McKay, see President Hinckley also had a negative first experience, and charged Stake Presidents with making sure people were prepared for the ritual. Lastly, if you think this content is useful, please help drive traffic to it by creating links on your own blogs and up it over anti-LDS temple material at google. |
“Do you remember when you first went through the House of the Lord? I do. And I went out disappointed. Just a young man, out of college, anticipating great things when I went to the Temple. I was disappointed and grieved, and I have met hundreds of young men and young women since who had that experience. I have now found out why. There are two things in every Temple: mechanics, to set forth certain ideals, and symbolism, what those mechanics symbolize. I saw only the mechanics when I first went through the Temple. I did not see the spiritual. I did not see the symbolism of spirituality… I was blind to the great lesson of purity behind the mechanics. I did not hear the message of the of the Lord…How many of us young men saw that? We thought we were big enough and with intelligence sufficient to criticize the mechanics of it and we were blind to the symbolism, the message of the spirit. And then that great ordinance, the endowment. The whole thing is simple in the mechanical part of it, but sublime and eternal in its significance.†From Gregory Prince and Wm. Robert Wright. David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 2005): 277. |
from http://www.mormonmonastery.org/david-o-mckay-on-temple-prep/ sorry for stealing The Monk :) |
There needs to be another temple prep class inside the temple before the actual ordinances are performed. My escorts left me alone to wait in the changing room while they went to go talk to someone, and a half-blind over-eager temple worker who couldn’t see my tag indicating that I was there for my own endowments thought I was goofing off, and literally laid hands on me and shoved me in the initiatory line. And that was back in 1983. If I hadn’t had a firm Spirit-borne testimony, I would have walked out and never gone back. |
I did get a brief endowment preparation with a small group and our escorts in the Salt Lake Temple just prior to the ceremony my first time. I don’t remember what was discussed, but I believe the covenants were enumerated at least. The ceremony was still a little weird to me, but not shocking or anything. |
I read this kind of discussion every few weeks in the Bloggernacle, but it occurred to me just this very moment that I had no temple prep whatsoever, beyond having been an active member my whole life. I didn’t take a temple prep class — didn’t know there was such a thing. My parents drove me the two hours to the temple and went through with me, but during that two hours (and whatever years before) it didn’t occur to them to tell me anything about it, and it didn’t occur to me to ask. I had a wonderful experience from beginning to end, then and every time I went back until I was well past 40 and began to feel that although a beautiful, meaningful, essential experience, it had nothing to do with me because none of the promises and covenants and plans are meant for solitary individuals. So what’s the difference? Why are some people able to embrace the experience, and others fight it? I don’t think I was one whit less mature, thoughtful, sincere, or independent than anyone who insists she can’t be ready without knowing every step beforehand. I doubt I had been exposed to more ritual, either — just a typical Mormon youth. |
Ardis: Thanks for sharing your experience. I haven’t encountered too many people who have had a good first experience, so I wonder if you’re an outlier in the dataset? You raise a great question, though. What is the difference? Quite frankly, I think there is a lot of “the emperor has no clothes” problem going on where people disingenuously report having a good experience the first time because they think they’re supposed to have a good experience. I’m inclined to believe that Ardis-like experiences the first time through are very rare. |
Tagore, I think we have to go to the temple with a heart full of trust: trusting our testimonies of the restored gospel (no wonder we are questioned about this in our recommend interviews), trusting the testimonies of those that have gone before us, and trusting the authenticity of the temple. I admit I was a little disappointed that more was not explained about the endowment (the initatory was not a disappointment in the least), but I was taught that we will gain understanding as we continue to go to the temple, and I am trusting that I will. So, perhaps another idea for a post is, have you, in fact, gained an understanding of the temple ceremonies over time? |
Tagore – I actually had a wonderful first experience in the temple. I was very nervous before going but eventually realized that my parents were endowed members and I’d seen how they lived their lives and I could probably take that as an example of what was expected of me. I loved the blessings in the initiatory and enjoyed the symbolism in the endowment session. I, too, did not take a temple “prep” class and think my experience was better because of it. Shortly after receiving my endowment I was asked by my Bishopric to assist with a temple prep class being held for a few members in the ward. I found the class the be somewhat frustrating because I knew I couldn’t openly discuss everything that happens in the temple and was left using adjectives that didn’t fully express my feelings about my experiences there. I left the class hoping those who attended could at least feel my testimony of the experience and find that inspiring/helpful as I didn’t think the booklet or discussions were that useful. Like Christy (#6) I had taught Old Testament Gospel Doctrine shortly before and was well versed (due to my own studies) in OT traditions and rituals as well as Jewish symbolism and rituals. I agree with her that this had a lot to do with my own preparation for the temple. Overall, I believe too many people– younger pre-wedding/pre-mission members and older members– are unprepared to attend the temple. I think our culture has created the belief that receiving your endowment is just another “step” not unlike baptism and can be entered into with as much understanding. I believe making the choice to attend the temple should be a very personal one and not seen as requisite for all members. I would *hope* that every member would have the desire to attend the temple and prepare him/herself properly before attending but I doubt it will change and we will continue to hear very unsettling “first time” stories for decades to come. |
Perhaps one should read about Mason rituals as to gain another perpsective of what we experience in the Temple. |
My comment with several links has (thanks!) been rescued from the spam filter in #16. |
Katherine: I was thinking about this recently, as my brother prepares to go through. If this is worded wrong, please take it down. My understanding is that the signs/tokens/names are secret, not the covenants, right? So would it be bad to say “you will be asked to promise (a,b,c,d)â€? You’re understanding is correct. One of the lessons in the Aaronic priesthood manuals is about going to the temple, and I’ve taught that lesson to multiple Aaronic priesthood quorums. When I taught it to the priests, I went into a lot more detail, because the priests I was teaching were all going to be headed to the temple within another 12-18 months. In the part of the lesson that went over covenants, I told the boys: “When you go through the temple, you’ll make the following covenants” and then proceeded to list them on the white board. What’s important is that they’re discussed in the appropriate atmosphere. Also, since the bishop was there in the class (the bishop is supposed to attend priest quorum meetings), I felt like that gave me more leeway. It seems to me that when I was a teenager (before 1989) there were more references to aspects of the temple ceremony in church, so that members got an idea of what the temple was like just by regularly participating in church for a long time. One of my former bishops told me that when he went through the temple in 1984, it wasn’t very foreign because he’d learned so much of it osmotically over the years attending church, which is in line with my experience. I went through the temple in 1990, and I’m pretty sure (IIRC) that I was even aware of the aspects that you mention relating to clothing. And this was before people attended temple prep classes. (FWIW, my 1st temple experience was terrific — far superior to my fraternity initiation years later, David McKay’s admonition notwithstanding.) I think that people became more tight-lipped about the temple after the changes April 1990 changes to the ceremony. I think that temple-prep would be much easier if people were just more open about the temple in general, insofar as they felt comfortable discussing it when it’s relevant in the context of doctrinal discussions or talks. The temple prep curriculum is excellent, but it occurs in too much of a vacuum. It is too isolated. Sacrament meeting attendance, sunday school lessons, auxiliary & quorum meetings, general conference — all of these should also be temple prep. This isn’t to say that this will cause 100% of first-time temple goers to have a great time. Obviously, the pre-1990 situation still wasn’t ideal, because one reason that leaders changed the ceremony is supposedly due to member surveys on temple experiences. Perhaps the lead sentence of this post should be, “We don’t do sufficiently prepare other church members to go through the temple.” |
I agree with the “emperor has no clothes” reference; I think a huge number of members of the Church report an amazing, beautiful experience because that’s just what you’re supposed to have in the temple. There is definitely peer pressure to have a good experience in your endowment. |
Tagore, if those who say they had a good initial temple experience are mostly just lying to ourselves or are freaky outliers, then that puts some interesting constraints on your ability to learn how people can have good initial temple experiences. I don’t think you’ll find many useful answers by only listening to those who had bad temple experiences. Indeed, a rejection of accounts of good experiences indicates a belief that encounters with the temple can only be bad, and any efforts to change that are pointless. Studying failure is useful, but without also studying success, it will be fruitless. |
Tagore I think two things helped me have a positive experience. First, I think I was over-prepared for the weirdness. It wasn’t as bad as I was expecting. My father was always playing the devil’s advocate with me growing up, telling me stuff like: “all I did on my mission was tract–hour after hour, day after day, every high rise apartment complex the eye could see off into the horizon.” So, when I served my mission it wasn’t as bad as I expected (tracting-wise). So he always told me that he was totally weirded-out by attending the temple for the first time. That in the Cardston temple suddenly there was his Uncle Harold–this hulking, 300 lb, weathered, farmer–acting out hours of memorized lines and doing these strange drama-rituals with his wife and others he knew from his youth. Who were these people he grew up with all his life? The second thing that helped was something a friend told me. He and I would do baptisms in the temple roughly every Wednesday morning before high school and he said something like, “don’t get overwhelmed with trying to understand/remember everything, just focus on your feelings–that will be familiar.” And he was right. So I tell people 1) to do temple baptisms as much as they can before the endowment, to get familiar with the feeling of the temple. And 2) I over emphasize the weirdness factor–because everyone else is telling them how wonderful it will be. Think about experiencing the sacrament for the first time having never heard of it or anything like it. “Drink this, it’s blood; eat this, it’s flesh”–that’s pretty weird. No wonder the early christians were persecuted. Mbogo p.s. I should also say I went through the Salt Lake Temple in ’96 and had a great cast (if that’s what you call them). They were younger than your typical temple worker and kept up a good pace. I think my Dad was kind of disappointed they were so good. |
John (29): I completely agree with you about the importance of learning from others’ positive experiences, which is why I think you’ve missed my point in #22. I certainly did not state that everyone who claims to have had a positive experience the first time is lying, and adding “freak” to my phrase “outlier in the dataset” unfairly distorts what I had written. I have rarely encountered anyone who has had a positive experience the first time through, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable, given my experience, to think it is unusual for someone to have a positive experience. That said, I welcome the sharing of positive experiences (one of my objectives in posting on this topic in the first place), especially those that provide possible answers to Ardis’ excellent question of why some people have positive experiences while others don’t (see, e.g., DKL and Mbogo’s comments). |
DKL – “The temple prep curriculum is excellent…” Maybe I don’t remember enough of the actual curriculum from the temple prep class I attended as an “assistant,” but I don’t remember it being all that fabulous. I do like the book “The Holy Temple” by Boyd K. Packer and have referred to it several times for my own personal learning. Maybe I need to take another look at the TP curriculum but I remember more as glossing over basic concepts and not really adding much to my understanding or knowledge of the temple. Perhaps my recollection is different because I didn’t see the curriculum until after receiving my endowment. I do agree, however, that we need to encourage more discussion (in appropriate settings) about the temple, its purpose, the promises we make there, and how to prepare for your first time as well as how to continue gaining more from each time we attend. |
Nifty Fella – “I was recently at a wedding reception where a beautiful, young, recently-endowed bridesmaid gave the bride some advice; she told the bride to go to the temple often because ‘in the temple, all your problems just disappear for a few hours.’ It reminded me of Pedro’s pitch that all your wildest dreams will come true.” Interesting point. When I attended the temple prep class I was asked to help with after receiving my own endowment, a man there kept going over the point that “we’re all equal” in the temple due to clothing and the focus on the endowment rather than worldly importance. This guy had a huge inferiority complex (in my opinion) and was not as “well off” as some other people in the ward and seemed to relish going to the temple because no one judges you on how you’re dressed or how much money you make. I suppose the temple is a refuge from the world but I feel people would be losing out if that’s the only reason for attending. On a related note- I have been asked a few times by non-members if I’ve ever seen Mitt Romney in the Boston temple. My mother-in-law (who’s known me for over 10 years) actually asked me if I knew Mitt or had seen him there. I kind of just chuckled because even if I had, what would I do? Stop a session to ask him for his autograph or something? |
Mbogo: I should also say I went through the Salt Lake Temple in ‘96 and had a great cast (if that’s what you call them). They were younger than your typical temple worker and kept up a good pace. I think my Dad was kind of disappointed they were so good. I went through the Salt Lake City temple first, and some aspects (e.g., the initiatory) were kind of factory-like (I remember doing sealings there later, and the sealer was truly impressive in how fast he could rattle off the ceremony.) The cast/temple workers who performed the live endowment when I went through for myself were quite an aged group, and they made no attempt whatever to dramatize the presentation. Neither that nor the factory-like aspect surprised me or had any impact on my enjoyment of the temple-attending process. Some months later, I drove down to Manti to go through that temple, where they also do the live endowment. At that point I’d seen the film many times at the Provo temple, and the utter and total absence any dramatic affect in the live performance struck me as kind of funny. Even so, it was a fitting context for the ceremony, especially in a building that is both historic and amazing. |
I love temple star-sightings. I once saw Sheri Dew in a waiting area before a session, and when she walked in, everyone definitely felt her coolness. No, we’re not all equal in the temple, because there are people there who are way more cool than I. |
FWIW, I had a great experience my first time through the temple because I’d done so much research and inquiry on my own that nothing “shocked” me. (Aside from a deeply spiritual experience during part of the initiatory that I can’t really talk about.) Couple that with the awesome guy who was my escort, who was telling me things about Biblical Hebrew terms during slow parts. :) If anything was a letdown, it’s that nothing surprised me. That’s not a bad thing by any means. |
Nifty Fella: I once saw Sheri Dew in a waiting area before a session, and when she walked in, everyone definitely felt her coolness. No, we’re not all equal in the temple, because there are people there who are way more cool than I. I think that’s on you. |
I received my endowment (1972) after I left on my mission. Back then, all US/Canadian missionaries first spent 6 days in the “Mission Home” (a multi-story building across the street from the Salt Lake Temple), then either left directly for their missions or went to one of the “Language Training Missions” (at BYU, Ricks, and CCH). One of those 6 days involved attending the temple: missionaries who had not yet been through the temple (such as myself) received our own initiatory and endowment work, while the rest did a regular endowment session; we then had a Q&A session with Pres. Harold B. Lee in the Solemn Assembly Room up on the 7th floor of the SL Temple; and we all then did another endowment session. I had no real temple prep beyond my own study of the scriptures and Church history. I was a convert and the only member in my family, so I didn’t have any heads-ups from parents or elder siblings. On the other hand, during my freshman year at BYU, I had taken a history seminar taught by the Chair of the BYU History Department. At one point during the semester, he had all of us over to his house for dinner. I was browsing through his extensive bookshelves and picked up one particular volume — I cannot remember what it was, though it was likely an anti-Mormon work of some kind. It flipped open to a spot with a full-page drawing of a man in LDS temple robes. I remember thinking, “Huh” or something to that effect. The bottom line is that I wasn’t surprised by the clothing when I went through the temple for the first time myself. My reaction to most of the rest was largely, “Hmm” — not bothered or upset or shaken, just curious, largely filing things away for future reference. And there’s a been a lot of that; when I taught OT and then NT in Gospel Doctrine a few years ago, one of my recurring themes was to point out parallels between temple imagery and themes and those found in the scriptures. I can’t claim to have new insights every time I go to the temple, just as I can’t claim to have new insights every time I read the scriptures. But both serve the same purpose in my life: they call me to repentance, help me make course corrections, and remind me of the things that truly matter in life. All that said — yeah, we need better temple prep, particularly for our young men and women. You could put together a pretty effective temple prep outline just from public statements and writings of Church leaders, as well as photos and discussions in Church publications. I’m not sure, then, why the official temp prep curriculum tends to be more constrained than what you can find (officially) elsewhere. ..bruce.. P.S. The biggest challenge in receiving my own endowment? Figuring out how to put on the standard one-piece garment afterward. |
I didn’t really know what to expect when I went for the first time to get my endowment. My parents were there. I thought the endowment was unusual in some ways but everything that happened was interesting and to a great degree, inspiring. But I was very tired afterwards. It just felt like a lot to think about. Right afterwards, my very gospel-enthusiastic mother wanted me to witness a sealing. I didn’t know what the ceremony would be like – thought it might be long. I didn’t want to go through an endowment-length ceremony right after the first one. But my mother insisted. A young couple was being sealed to each other and to their daughter and they were kind enough to let us witness their sealing – they didn’t seem to have much family or friends there – so I think they appreciated the presence of some others in the room. I was impressed at how simple (and frankly, by comparison, brief) the sealing ceremony was and awed by the wording. Completely floored, really. In some ways, the whole gospel plan clicked for me while I was witnessing that sealing ordinance. It was like a final puzzle piece that made the whole picture that much clearer and pristine. |
I should probably clarify that it wasn’t the endowment that I found disconcerting, but the assembly-line (factory-like, to use DKL’s term) initiatory. That was 1984, and it should have been explained beforehand, inside the temple, if not in the temple prep class. Unfortunately, my bishop picked a couple of yay-hoos to be my escorts who dropped the ball, and it was a new temple whose temple workers were trained but not seasoned. That said, the nature of the covenants in the endowment should be explained better, either in the temple prep class, or in a mini-class inside the temple, prior to the actual endowment. There’s nothing that was a deal-killer for me, but they (both the initiatory and endowment) were definitely of a nature that I would have felt much more comfortable having received a walk-through or an explanation prior to the actual events. But I also think they weren’t deal-killers for me because I had a testimony. For someone who doesn’t have a testimony, I can see how some of the contents of the initiatory and/or the endowment might be a “deal killer” for them. Therefore, I support the requirement of an actual testimony before receiving a temple recommend. Maybe not an “I know…” level of testimony, but at least a Spirit-borne testimony, with some kind of spiritual experience upon which the testimony is based, something to anchor the belief. I don’t believe that “leaning on the testimony of others” is, or should be, sufficient to enter the temple. |
My first experience was, I am sorry to say, rather underwhelming. I was so used to hearing people say things like “Your first time in the temple will be a real shock / surprise / different experience,” etc., that I think it got a little over-hyped for me in terms of how strange it was going to seem (although I admit that seeing your dad in funny clothes doing secret handshakes is pretty weird). I also had picked up a lot more than I realized by osmosis over the years, funerals, and documentaries on the masons. Anyway, I kept waiting for the shock and ended up in the celestial room thinking, “Was that it?!” Also, we tend to speak of the beauty of the temple inside and out with such superlatives in the church that I was also kind of let down by the Logan Temple (over-hyped again). I chose to get my endowment there because of its exterior – but the interior is another matter entirely. It looks like some poorly refitted office space in a business park (with the one exception being the wrought iron end pieces on the theater seats). I went back there recently, and it’s just as bad as I remembered. I hope it’s number one on the list for a little remodeling. Even Provo and Ogden, with their interior upgrading, are better than Logan now. So, my recommendation would be to not over-hype so many aspects of the initial visit too much. We need realistic expectations on all planes (including spiritual) for a first time. |
I was disappointed in my first temple visit because I didn’t get to go to the actual Celestial Kingdom and meet God. I didn’t even meet an angel. What a gyp. It was awhile before I stopped thinking people who’d been to the people had been exalted in some mystic way. Nobody said that stuff to me I just stupidly assumed it. Now I’m careful to make the point that people with recommends are still just people. |
I think it would be interesting to tell about famous people we meet in the temple. When the films first started, my ward went to Provo to the temple and the girl who played Eve was in the session with us. We were pretty excited about that. On a whole different tack, I do feel the world drop away when I go to the temple. The peace eases my soul. I’ve never seen God or even a dead person but I’m okay with that now. |
annegb, you should go to Manti or Salt Lake, where the sister who plays Eve is always in the session with you. |
Tagore- I’m so happy you were able to get a temple recommend. We’ve been praying for you. |
I’d prefer that you pray for improvements to the temple prep class. And for the Red Sox to win the World Series. |
Me too, because running into Tagore at the temple isn’t something that temple prep prepared me for… |
I participated in many baptisms for the dead as a teenager, and aside from being dunked too quickly w/ not enough time given to renew my air supply; viewed those experiences very positively. But the experience could not have been any worse when receiving my endowments for the 1st time, pre-mission. No temple prep classes and no inside info from ANYONE – not even during the 6 hr trip to the temple. It was so uncomfortable and weird to me – an active lifetime member – that it soured my entire mission. I came home early due to the intense depression and bad feelings partially helped along by the pressure of fellow missionaries and mission leaders who were of no help, all unwilling to discuss any aspects of ‘such sacred and secret’ things. I have not returned to the temple and have no current desire to do so. Even though my activity in, and testimony of the church are strong, I am still apathetic to the temple. I know this is my biggest challenge in life @ this point, especially as my semi-recently-a-convert husband has been encouraged to get his endowments. I have not discussed most of my temple history w/ him as I don’t want to influence him. It would have been SO great to have more info post-recommend and pre-ordinance. An escort to EXPLAIN the whole time would have helped too. The experience could NOT be further removed from what happens/is taught in church. |
Southeast: I’m glad you still have a strong testimony of the chuch and gospel. And as such, I hope you find it in your heart to forgive those who should have been more supportive of you in preparation for your own endowment, and the resolution of questions and awkward feelings afterwards. That’s pretty much how I’ve tried to process the awkwardness that I had in my first temple experience, and in a “less than optimum” mission. In as much as I sinned, I say “Oh Lord, please forgive me.” And in as much as others “sinned” (in quotes because I’m not totally sure if they sinned, or were just normally imperfect human beings) against me, then I say “Oh Lord, help me forgive those who were less than perfect in preparing me, and taking me through the temple.” The more I pray to understand and forgive those whom I think dropped the ball, and possibly “sinned” against me, the more my mind is open to my own faults and shortcomings. And when I realize more of my own faults and shortcomings, it’s then easier for me to forgive others, and let go of those offenses, both perceived and real. That seems to help with every offense, perceived or real, regardless of when or where it occurred. Another thing that has helped me is focusing on the idea that the Lord’s atonement covers and “pays for” all the sins and offenses _against_ me, as well as the ones I’ve committed. Whenever I get a flashback, and start stressing out over something in the past, I focus on the atonement, and the flashback subsides. “Jesus paid for it” is a good mantra, and it seems to take away the stress. The “Jesus paid for it” is a much better stress-reliever than other common ones such as “It’s okay” or “It’s in the past.” Because focusing on the atonement doesn’t require one to deny that the offense occured, or deny that the offense was a bad thing. Attempting to deny or suppress the bad things doesn’t heal the wounds, and never makes them go away. Christ is always there, ready to heal the wounds, no matter whose fault they are. After all, He didn’t just pay the price of the sin, He paid the price of healing the wounds. “By his stripes we are healed.” He covered both sides of the sinner/victim transaction. But there are requirements that both the sinner and the victim must meet. The sinner needs to repent, and the victim needs to forgive. By this process, I’ve learned that I was taught an incorrect definition of forgiveness in my youth. I had been taught that forgiveness meant the victim saying that it was “okay” to be hurt by the offender. But, that’s not true. Being hurt by the maliciousness of another is never okay. Rather, forgiveness on the part of the victim is saying “I accept Christ’s sufferings as having compensated for what happened to me”. Forgiveness is accepting Christ’s sufferings in lieu of the offender having to suffer. There are no denials of reality, pretending or lies in true forgiveness. |
I’ve been thinking about this a lot since talking with an ex-Mormon coworker and her experience with the Temple. *shrug* ~ |
Southeast: Imagine I’m Robin Williams and you’re Matt Damon, and I’m hugging you and repeating, “It’s not your fault.” More seriously, thanks for sharing. My first experience wasn’t as negative, but I still felt insufficiently prepared. I still can’t say that I have a burning testimony of what goes on in the temple, but I do attend regularly and feel like it helps my life. I hope you feel inclined to give it a second chance. Thomas Parkin: “I never believed the church was about being a Mormon.” Great line; very interesting idea. |
Right before I went through the temple for the first time I had a friend tell me, with a staight face, “Just hold on tight to the goat’s horns.” Now, every time I see the film of the baby goat in one of the two movies, I chuckle to myself. |
One reason it seems weird to many is that *it is weird*. Every single interaction portrayed in the ceremony (except the God and Christ/Adam and Eve ones) could *not* have happened. Spirit beings can not pick up physical items nor interact in a physical way with humans. So the entire premise of the ceremony needs to be understood as simply being representative of a generic teaching ideal – not anything which actually happened. But given that it is presented in an historical format the presentation causes a lot of cognitive dissonance for many. (In addition, prior to the ceremony being “toned down” as an earlier poster referenced, the impossible interactions were really weird and antagonistic to the rest of the world.) Further the covenants we make there are done in a manner completely different than any a member would have previously made. So in short the ceremony engenders weird experiences simply because it is weird. I think the best preparation is to: 1) Receive a spiritual wittiness that you are suppose to go to the temple before you do; and 2) Read the Pearl of Great Price, pretty much everything is in there somewhere, and it is presented in a much more logical and understandable manner. |
John Harvey: Great points. I think you’re right on; having the Creation and the Fall depicted in a very literal way on screen makes it difficult to keep in mind that everything that happens in the temple is highly symbolic. I think many church members leave the endowment ceremony with the impression that what happened on screen was literally what took place, when really, we don’t know how symbolic much of that was. |
Well we do know the Fall did not happen in the way it is depicted. For any of the following reasons: |
JH: on the other hand, we don’t know _how_ or _how much_ it’s symbolic. We don’t know what level of interaction God allowed Satan to have in the Garden of Eden. Yes, Satan was and is a spirit personage, but he did/does have a spirit _body_, and maybe Eve was allowed to perceived that spirit body. I don’t know if Satan appeared as a serpent by way of deception, or possessed the physical body of a serpent like the demons did the pigs. Yes, Satan cannot be in the physical presence of God, but maybe God was somewhere else outside the Garden of Eden when Satan appeared to Eve. One thing I kind of like about Genesis, is that both Adam and Eve use the all-too-human blame shifting. Eve basically said it was the devil’s fault, and Adam basically said it was the woman’s (the woman YOU gave me) fault. |
I was completely unprepared but had a great experience, not necessarily in the ritual itself, as it was just so very different. But the feeling of the spirit was so strong and overwhelming afterward I felt certain I never wanted to sin again. But the digression of the comments into the Adam/Even temple narrative also made me think of a few observations I thought were interesting one time: It’s delicious/desirable I thought the way these play out represent a microcosm of the way many of us justify sin and transgression. Appeals to desires and appetites if that doesn’t work appeals to ration. I do often think about other peoples first time experience in going to the temple. I get worried it won’t be a good experience for them, for whatever reason, so I appreciate the post. It does seem though, the quality of the experience is up to the individual and their mindset going into and mindset during the temple process. |
My first time through the temple was interesting. Why? Well, arrogant little me, I had gone and looked up everything I could on the ceremony (not commentary on the ceremony, but the actual ceremony itself) online. Then, I read everything any General Authority had written on it, and then read everything Hugh Nibley wrote on it, and watched a video where he talks a lot about temples and references several things taken out of the ceremony now. I would not recommend this approach to anyone, although I must admit that I felt I had a leg up on the other two guys who were going through for themselves. |
I have a temple experience I would like to share, because it has me very confused and I don’t know who to turn to to ask about it. Maybe some one here can help me out and shed some light on this situation? Uhm, I know this is going to be pretty long, it’s a long story, but please, thank you for reading and any info you can give me would be much appreciated. I will be 35 years old in a couple of weeks. I was born and raised Mormon. My family have been with the church right since the very beginning, with Smith and Young, my family started in the East and marched to the West all those many years ago. There is a lot of history and a lot of pride in my family. Too much pride I some times think, because it is because of their pride, that I am out cast and disowned by the 264 living relatives in my family. They call me “the old maid” and talk about me, even when I am in the room, as though I had died years ago. They dutifully shun and ignore me. Why? Because, in a couple of weeks I will be 35 years old, and I am not married. I am the only female in the family to have reached the age of 16 unmarried, and the only one to reach the age of 18 with out 2 babies born. It is a long story, and I will try to explain: It is not that I do not want to marry, nor that I have not tried. I found a man (a member of my Ward) whom I deeply love and whom deeply loves me in return. We have been together for 23 years, planning our marriage through out that entire time. For 23 years we have reluctantly postponed our wedding. We are still not married. And I will tell you why: I have Autism, and therefor I am not allowed to get a temple recommend. I have had Autism at least since I was 4 years old, probably since I was born. Though doctors said I had Autism, relatives said that the doctor was lying and that Autism was really a type of demon and all that was wrong with me was demon possession because I was quote: “the child of Satan” unquote. Because I have Autism, and because of the things my relatives said about me in church to fellow members, several members of our Ward believe that I am a “demon possessed witch”, a name they have called me since I was 4 years old. Needless to say I grew up with a very low self esteem. Some of the more superstitious members, blame me for causing every sickness and death that has ever occurred to any member of our Ward, pointing the finger at me, saying that I “cast death spells” on them. These same members believe that my car is “haunted” or “possessed by a poltergeist” and that it’s my car’s “demon” that I send to hurt them. Last month these same members stole my car, cut it in half, and sold it to a car crusher to quote “kill the demon” unquote. This btw, is the car in question:http://www.squidoo.com/stolencar You can see from the before and after pictures, just how serious these members are. (Personally, I think these particular members are raving lunatics, and I don’t know why our Ward Bishop let them do this to my car, but that’s besides the point.) At age 12, along with all the rest of the Young Women in my Ward, I did family history research and made ready for my first temple trip. When the week came for us to have our interviews to get our temple recommends, I alone was excluded, told by my Bishop that, because I was retarded, I could not even get an appointment for the interview, let alone ever get a temple recommend. This did nothing to help my self esteem, and by the time I was 16, the repeat exclusions from temple trips branded me an outcast, with the rest of the Young Men and Young Women constantly teasing me and saying I was not good enough, and bragging how they were “real saints” while I was “following the path of Satan”. Every year that has passed since that day, I have gone to my bishop seeking a temple recommend. And as most bishops are bishop less than 2 years, over the years, I have now gone to 16 different Bishops through my Ward. I’m still in the same Ward, we have had a lot of Bishops. As with that first bishop, so many years ago, I am always told the same thing: “I will not set up an appointment to interview you. You have a mental illness and are retarded. Even if you do pass the interview, I still can not give you a temple recommend, because you lack the mental competency to understand what goes on inside, and we can not all retards to enter the temple.” My high priest boyfriend, (who is 30 years older than me, btw) has even asked if they would give me a temporary “one day recommend” just long enough so we could be married. Each Bishop he asked has said “No.” By the time I was old enough for Relief Society, my social problems grew worse, because I was the only single woman, and the only woman who was not a mother. I was often excluded from activities and when I asked why I could not join, the answers were “Well, it’s wife stuff… you wouldn’t understand,” or “It’s mother stuff… you wouldn’t understand,” or “It’s temple stuff…we can’t talk about it with sinners who can’t get temple recommends.” Home Making Meetings were rarely announced in Relief Society, usually invitations were mailed out. I never once received one, and I only found out about them by accident when one woman dropped hers in class. When I asked the RSPres why I never got one, she responded with “Well, it’s homemaking stuff, you don’t have a home or a husband, you don’t even go to the temple…” Needless to say, this only made my self esteem problems worse. As a result of my Autism, I have a “problem” of being “over obedient” resulting in my being the strictest most gospel adhering Mormon any other Mormon has ever met – a fact that gets told to me by hundreds of members over and over again, though out the years. They are always “amazed” at my extreme devotion to the gospel, and say they strive to one day be “a model Mormon” like they say I am. (We live on a beach, that gets 2 million tourists each year, and so we get lots and lots of Mormon visitors from all over the Ward in our Ward.) They than ask, how often I go to the temple, and are shocked to hear the answer and why. Than they think about it and add “You know, I never have seen any one with a mental deformity in the temple…can’t say as I’ve ever seen any one with Autism in the temple before, come to think of it, you never seen Downs Syndrome patents either… I wonder if people in wheelchairs are allowed in, can’t say as I’ve seen that either….” Than they puzzle and muse and rack their brain trying to think of all the mental and physical disabilities they know, and try to remember if they’ve ever seen any disability mental or physical in the temple. Than they tell me they can’t remember ever seeing any type of disabled person in the temple, and tell me “Well, at least you are not alone.” Like that is supposed to make me feel better? How is telling me “Well, at least you are not alone,” supposed to make me feel better? How does it justify the fact that there are laws against this sort of discrimination? I’ve seen people with sin, men who cheat on their wives, men who drink vodka, people who listen to em`n`em’s sex filled drug promoting music, people who watch Austin Powers (one of the 2 movies the Church banned – The Passion being the other one), all not only get temple recommends but come back from the temple and than laugh and joke about how they “lied and got in anyways”, like it was some sort of a game with them, that meant nothing! And me? What have I done? I have lived the gospel to the letter. I’ve always done everything the Church teaches me to do. I’ve always been obedient and faithful and righteous, but because I was born with Autism I’m not only not allowed to do any temple work, I’m not even allowed to get married! Do you have any idea how much it hurts to know that I WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED to get married, because I was born with Autism? It’s not fair. The Church has made us wait 23 years, and it looks like they will make us wait a life time. He stands by me and I stand by him, and we want to be married and raise a family, but until medical science finds a cure for Autism, the Church will not allow it. The problem is made worse, by the fact that because I am not allowed to have a temple recommend, the members who accuse me of being a “demon possessed witch” point to the fact that I can not get a temple recommend and say “See, I told you she was evil”. In the past year, 2 members of our Ward died in “freak accidents” – one drowned in his shower after being over come by carbon monoxide and the other blew up when he started the engine of his yaught and the engine exploded. Both event occurred the same week, which happened to be the 7th anniversary of a drive by shooting which the boat-guy was proven to have been a part of. (The drive by shooting was one of many attempts that have been made to “exorcise” my “demons”, which was followed by my house being burnt to the ground on October 21, 2006 – another so-called “exorcism”, they called it, and again, our Ward Bishop did nothing about the members who did this.). After the 2 deaths, hysteria broke out in the local Ward, nearly a dozen members accused me of have “put a whammy” on these 2 members, thus causing their deaths by the “use of witchcraft”. This in turn resulted in our Bishop deciding that the only course of action was to excommunicate me “on grounds of witchcraft and apostasy”. I remain confused and baffled by this entire situation. I do not believe that the handful of members who are doing/saying these things are living the gospel, I mean, how could they be and set fire to my house or steal my car? I don’t believe that the Church promotes or authorizes their actions, and yet, our Ward leaders do nothing about it. But everything, the not getting married to the vandalism, goes back to the same thing: I have Autism and because I have Autism I an denied a temple recommend, and members judge me and falsely accuse me and spread rumors and lies about me, based on the fact that I am single and don’t go to the temple. Rumors and lies that now have my Bishop saying I am to be excommunicated, and when I asked how he could accuse me of “witchcraft and apostasy” when he knew these accusations to be false he said “Well, it’s not like you are worthy to go to the temple anyways. What do you care?” He acted like, because I have Autism, I also have no feelings! Needless to say I am very upset over this whole thing and I don’t know who to turn to for advice. I’ve searched scriptures and Church manuals high and low and I can find nothing any where that says that people with Autism (and other mental illnesses) are to be denied temple recommends, marriage, or sealings. And yet, 16 Bishops have told me this. Is it true? Is what they are saying to me actual Church Doctrine? Or is this just some local folklore thing that is falsely being practiced only in my Ward? What can I do about this? (My Ward is the Saco Ward in Maine, if that makes any difference or not, I don’t know.) ~Wendy C Allen aka EelKat |
Wendy, I find your history as related to be very difficult to believe, and very sad to hear. Call your stake executive secretary and ask for a meeting with the stake president. No member (I’m assuming you were baptized? You make no mention of it.) can be excommunicated by a Bishop’s council if they request to be transferred to the stake. You and your boyfriend can legally marry (assuming you are legally competent by the laws of your state). The church recognizes civil marriages. After you marry you should move to another state. Go to your new bishop and request that he work with you to determine if and when you should go to the temple for your endowment and to be sealed. The Church does not allow people who are not mentally competent to participate in baptism or temple ordinances (or receive the priesthood for men), but given your writing skills I doubt that restriction should apply to you. If you were baptized, you likely can go to the temple. |
The first time I enter the temple I was a little unsettled, and nervous. Of course, it’s normal I was so anxious about the unknown. But when I saw the signs, symbols and ceremony, I was not shocked, my mind was enlightened, I’ve learned that we really live in a world of symbols. I’ve seen beyond the symbols, the realities for which the symbols stand. Christ himself taught in parables. I don’t think there’s a problem with the lessons in temple preparation class, the real problem is that the person is not yet ready to enter the temple, that’s why he was shocked and says weird things about his experiences. In our preparation to enter the temple, let’s consider having faith in God, repent our sins and be worthy to feel the presence of the Holy Ghost. |