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Thanks for that. I have been thinking that this could be our modern day Hungary, where the US sits back and watches the protestors destroyed by the Government. I am not sure how or if we should intervene, it just feels like we are helpless. It probably felt the same in 1956 |
I’m old enough to remember the Shah. I applaud those courageous souls who are fighting for what they believe right now, but I think the whole country is rather blood thirsty. Imagine what would have happened in the US if we’d started rioting and killing when the Bush/Gore debacle was occurring. We can’t blame all this violence on Achmenidajad (I’m totally guessing on the spelling). I heard a guy on the radio the other day when I was going to work (no idea who he was, it was conservative talk radio)and he said that Achmenidajad might have well have won because he had a lot of rural support. If we’re going to pray for anywhere, we should pray for Africa. |
This thing in Iran is politics. So several factors could still influence the outcome, such as the degree of political will of both parties, the will (and/or ability) of the military and police to enforce the dictates of the ruling power, and the will (and/or ability) of the populace to get what they want. Governments, or rulers, only have as much power as they are able and willing to enforce. If police and/or the miliary won’t enforce what the rulers want, then whoever is willing to shout the loudest, or whoever is best able to sway people, or whoever is able to enforce their will, becomes the new ruler. Let’s hope and prey they do it all peaceably, and according to the will of the majority of the people of Iran. If they collectively want an Islamic/Sharia government, then they have a right to it. I hope and pray that their elections are fair and reflect the voice of the people. But when the voice of the people isn’t heard, then what Mao Tse Dong said might come into play, for good or for bad: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. This is why the 2nd amendment is so important in the US. An armed populace ensures that a tyrannical government can’t enforce its will over the American people (against the collective people’s will) via force. |
Many Iranians showed solidarity when we were attacked on 9/11. by stating we are now all American. Today we are all Iranians. Let us forget our various political views and give support in unity to those who want liberty, justice , and peace. Please read below and take action and pass along this petition . A people’s global response is necessary. From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Dear MoveOn member, But the situation is getting worse. The Iranian regime has begun a violent crackdown against the protesters—including hundreds of arrests and a number of deaths. Now, it’s crucial that the Iranian regime knows that the world is watching and that they must stop their violent repression of peaceful dissent. So our friends at Avaaz—a global MoveOn-type organization—have asked people all over the world to stand with the Iranian protesters. Avaaz is aiming for 1 million signatures worldwide and is going to deliver this message of solidarity to other governments, concentrating on the countries with the most influence over Iran’s regime. Can you add your name? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?id=16437-9479126-62KblNx&t=1 A clear message from people all over the world can help put pressure on the Iranian regime to stop the violence. Other Muslim countries in the region and key trading partners like China and Turkey have been mostly silent since the election, but a worldwide outpouring of support can convince them to take action. Involvement by the American government could be used by the Iranian regime as an excuse to crack down further. But if we, as individuals, join with folks around the world, we can help create a global outcry. The petition will be delivered directly to the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the Non-Aligned Movement, the E.U., and the U.N. to show them that the world wants them to act. Iranians have shown that regular people, using new technologies like Twitter and Facebook, can have a profound impact on world affairs. As they face enormous danger to stand up for democracy and freedom of speech, we should stand with them. Can you add your voice to the chorus of people calling for an end to the violence? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?id=16437-9479126-62KblNx&t=2 Thanks for all you do. –Justin, Stephen, Laura, Daniel and the rest of the team P.S. To show your support for the Iranian people, you can also print out this sign and put it in your window. |
Let us put aside our various political views and be united in solidarity for the Iranian people who want justice, liberty , and peace. People’s power can move international governments. Please read below and pass it on. Note: I sent this before but it did not get posted From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action Dear MoveOn member, But the situation is getting worse. The Iranian regime has begun a violent crackdown against the protesters—including hundreds of arrests and a number of deaths. Now, it’s crucial that the Iranian regime knows that the world is watching and that they must stop their violent repression of peaceful dissent. So our friends at Avaaz—a global MoveOn-type organization—have asked people all over the world to stand with the Iranian protesters. Avaaz is aiming for 1 million signatures worldwide and is going to deliver this message of solidarity to other governments, concentrating on the countries with the most influence over Iran’s regime. Can you add your name? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?id=16437-9479126-62KblNx&t=1 A clear message from people all over the world can help put pressure on the Iranian regime to stop the violence. Other Muslim countries in the region and key trading partners like China and Turkey have been mostly silent since the election, but a worldwide outpouring of support can convince them to take action. Involvement by the American government could be used by the Iranian regime as an excuse to crack down further. But if we, as individuals, join with folks around the world, we can help create a global outcry. The petition will be delivered directly to the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the Non-Aligned Movement, the E.U., and the U.N. to show them that the world wants them to act. Iranians have shown that regular people, using new technologies like Twitter and Facebook, can have a profound impact on world affairs. As they face enormous danger to stand up for democracy and freedom of speech, we should stand with them. Can you add your voice to the chorus of people calling for an end to the violence? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?id=16437-9479126-62KblNx&t=2 Thanks for all you do. –Justin, Stephen, Laura, Daniel and the rest of the team P.S. To show your support for the Iranian people, you can also print out this sign and put it in your window. |
From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action The Iranian people’s courage in the face of brutal repression has been inspiring. But the situation is getting worse. The Iranian regime has begun a violent crackdown against the protesters—including hundreds of arrests and a number of deaths. Now, it’s crucial that the Iranian regime knows that the world is watching and that they must stop their violent repression of peaceful dissent. So our friends at Avaaz—a global MoveOn-type organization—have asked people all over the world to stand with the Iranian protesters. Avaaz is aiming for 1 million signatures worldwide and is going to deliver this message of solidarity to other governments, concentrating on the countries with the most influence over Iran’s regime. Can you add your name? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?id=16437-9479126-62KblNx&t=1 A clear message from people all over the world can help put pressure on the Iranian regime to stop the violence. Other Muslim countries in the region and key trading partners like China and Turkey have been mostly silent since the election, but a worldwide outpouring of support can convince them to take action. Involvement by the American government could be used by the Iranian regime as an excuse to crack down further. But if we, as individuals, join with folks around the world, we can help create a global outcry. The petition will be delivered directly to the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the Non-Aligned Movement, the E.U., and the U.N. to show them that the world wants them to act. Iranians have shown that regular people, using new technologies like Twitter and Facebook, can have a profound impact on world affairs. As they face enormous danger to stand up for democracy and freedom of speech, we should stand with them. Can you add your voice to the chorus of people calling for an end to the violence? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?id=16437-9479126-62KblNx&t=2 Thanks for all you do. –Justin, Stephen, Laura, Daniel and the rest of the team P.S. To show your support for the Iranian people, you can also print out this sign and put it in your window. |
I think the whole country is rather blood thirsty. Any particular reason, or is it just your gut telling you ’tis so? |
Just my impression of the middle east. But doesn’t my example bear out? The US didn’t dissolve into riots over a disputed election. We handled it civilly. The Democrats, convinced they’d been robbed complained but nobody died. |
good thing we didn’t elect John “bomb bomb bomb Iran” McCain eh? Those protesters would be killed by American bombs rather than Basij batons… the hypocrisy on the right is astounding. The ironic thing is that these protesters don’t want to affect the kind of change that conservatives want to see. They’re not trying to overturn the Islamic regime. They’re just saying that Khamenei and Ahmadinejad have gone astray FROM the Islamic regime. Just watch, the moment Musavi comes to power and wants to continue Iran’s nuclear program, conservatives will go right on back chanting “bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran.” Stupid hypocrites. |
annegb: the peaceful transfer of power in the US is truly something to be grateful for. There was a time in our history, of course, when a presidential election didn’t go so well (see Civil War). |
Remember, too, that the 2008 US election was basically a statistical tie. In Iran, it was obvious to everyone that the government didn’t even bother to count the votes but just announced an arbitrary result, awarding landslide percentages to Ahmadinejad in every district in the country, even in areas where big majorities had obviously voted for the opposition. |
Dan – ok, your dogmatic position against the right here is laughable. I am not sure that either right or left in the US has a different position here. While I am left leaning, I don’t think your rhetoric is helpful, it is just as silly and close minded as the dogmatics from the right that you rip on. |
There are many countries that need our prayers, many places in the world where inequity, horror and evil exists. Iran is only one. We should speak out against all of them but I do not believe we should pick and choose where we apply our influence. If our motives were truly pure, we would have invaded North Korea long before we invaded Iraq and we would have taken on evil dictaters like Idi Amin. So the election in Iran has been a sham. We should be no more vested there than in any other country. We sat by and watched millions die in Africa. We’re afraid to fight North Korea where there are no elections and the people live in a hell of their dictater’s making. Iran is far down my list of priorities if the US is going to directly address the situations in other countries. If the people in N Korea and \or Africa were as strong, organized & educated as the protesters in Iran, I might feel differently, but the peoples of those countries are truly oppressed and hopeless and need us a hell of a lot more than Iranians. |
Ps. Moveon.org can bite me |
Dan, Again, you’re wrong. While the people have previously protested the government, this is the first time that the Supreme Leader has been outright defied by the people and the some in the establishment. |
BrianJ wrote: There was a time in our history, of course, when a presidential election didn’t go so well (see Civil War). Are you implying that the Civil War came as a result (at least partly) because Lincoln was elected? If that’s what you’re implying, I heartily disagree. |
Bookslinger, This is such a threadjack, but I’m too curious. Do you believe: A. That the Civil War would have happened regardless of who was elected in 1860; or B. That Lincoln or others instigated the Civil War because of actions Lincoln took in office, independent of his election. |
#14. Pick your venue and show support of the new Iranian freedom movement . It is time we put aside our difference and be in solidarity of the oppressed Iranian people. This is not a political partisan issue but a cause for liberty for all people who wish to express it. BTW . What group on the right is mobilizing globally to do the above? World oppressed citizens should be nothing but inspired by the courages actions for those who defy the very idea of the religious Iranian theocracy. The devine right theological leaders will soon bend to the sovereign will of the people. One would wonder if Iranian students are reading works of Locke, Hobbes, and Roseau Moderate Islamic beleivers are moving away from radical idealogy of the Taliban, Al Qeadea, etc; as being demonstrated in Lebanon, Iraq, Pakistan, and Aghanistan. Majority of the Iranian people want to be on the side of history. |
That is my understanding, yes. If you have some other information, or some other interpretation (of, say, Governor Gist’s pre-election letter), I’d be interested. |
Dear friend, Another great way to make sure the global outcry is heard, spread the word to your friends and family so they know what’s going on. You can just forward the sample letter below. Spreading the word is critical, but please only pass this message along to those who know you — spam hurts our campaign. Thanks for all you do. –The MoveOn.org Civic Action Team Here’s a sample message to send to your friends: Subject: Stand with the people of Iran Hi, The situation in Iran is getting worse, with the regime using escalating violence against protesters. The regime needs to know that the world is watching and expects it to respect the protesters’ human rights. That’s why I signed a petition standing with the protesters in Iran and with people all over the world in opposing the crackdown and pressuring the countries with the most influence over Iran to get involved. Can you join me in signing? http://civ.moveon.org/irancrackdown/?r_by=16437-9479126-62KblNx&rc=confemail Thanks! |
If Douglas had defeated Lincoln it’s likely the civil war wouldn’t have happened, at that time at the very least. Certainly it would have played out differently. On one hand you had a person arguing for states rights about slavery and on the other was an abolitionist, or at the very least was seen as the abolitionist candidate. This is not to say that Douglas stirred up dissent after losing. But clearly the southern states reacted poorly to feeling their perceived rights were being infringed. |
On a somewhat related note, I would not be the least bit surprised to see an increasing amount of converts from Iran in the near future. |
Support Human Rights in Iran: Sign Amnesty International petition. http://www.amnesty.ca/urgentappeal/2009/UAN_iran/index_fb.html |
The US didn’t dissolve into riots over a disputed election. We handled it civilly. Florida Recount, 2000? |
Yeah, who got killed? |
There was a circus following the 2000 vote, but no riots. |
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