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		<title>By: danithew</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/09/28/roman-polanski.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113711</link>
		<dc:creator>danithew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, I am sorry.  I returned here late in the game and found a bunch of comments from McCoy that I found to be unacceptable.  So I deleted them.  I also basically got rid of comments where people responded to him.  I&#039;m sorry to be so brutal.  But I don&#039;t think McCoy&#039;s tone or message merits space here.  Certainly not on one of my threads.

In regards to Joseph Smith I will say a few things.  Like many other prophets (that you can read about in the scriptures) he did some very controversial things - polygamy being only one of them.  I am aware of those controversies and do not blind myself to them.  However, he was still a prophet of God.

McCoy, I&#039;ll just be frank and direct with you.  Go somewhere else or go to hell.  I don&#039;t care which.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I am sorry.  I returned here late in the game and found a bunch of comments from McCoy that I found to be unacceptable.  So I deleted them.  I also basically got rid of comments where people responded to him.  I&#8217;m sorry to be so brutal.  But I don&#8217;t think McCoy&#8217;s tone or message merits space here.  Certainly not on one of my threads.</p>
<p>In regards to Joseph Smith I will say a few things.  Like many other prophets (that you can read about in the scriptures) he did some very controversial things &#8211; polygamy being only one of them.  I am aware of those controversies and do not blind myself to them.  However, he was still a prophet of God.</p>
<p>McCoy, I&#8217;ll just be frank and direct with you.  Go somewhere else or go to hell.  I don&#8217;t care which.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, MCQ - Don&#039;t they have her grand jury testimony on this already from the first trial?  She doesn&#039;t actually have to take the stand for her previous testimony to be valid, correct?

IANAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, MCQ &#8211; Don&#8217;t they have her grand jury testimony on this already from the first trial?  She doesn&#8217;t actually have to take the stand for her previous testimony to be valid, correct?</p>
<p>IANAL.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>42 -

&lt;i&gt;Her opinions donâ€™t matter for the sake of his coinviction. The point is that she did not ever testify at trial because he pleaded guilty. The problem is that the guilty plea is the subject of a motion to dismiss because of prosecutorial misconduct. If that is granted, he would have to be tried and she would have to testify, which she has said she will not do. So if the guilty plea is withdrawn, he will never be convicted. Case dismissed.&lt;/i&gt;

Good point.  But all that assumes he returns to face the music.  Which he hasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>42 -</p>
<p><i>Her opinions donâ€™t matter for the sake of his coinviction. The point is that she did not ever testify at trial because he pleaded guilty. The problem is that the guilty plea is the subject of a motion to dismiss because of prosecutorial misconduct. If that is granted, he would have to be tried and she would have to testify, which she has said she will not do. So if the guilty plea is withdrawn, he will never be convicted. Case dismissed.</i></p>
<p>Good point.  But all that assumes he returns to face the music.  Which he hasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And MCQ, they donâ€™t need her testimony. The guy filmed the event and gave interviews later about it. You can try him quite easily with his confession (the interviews) and the film.&quot;

Stephen, I&#039;m no criminal law expert, nor am I perfectly versed in the facts of this case, but I think you&#039;re wrong.  

You still have to have a witness who is willing to testify against Polanski in court, and that witness can&#039;t be Polanski.  The 5th amendment still applies, and you can&#039;t enter out of court statements as evidence of anything, since they are subject to the hearsay rule.  

My understanding of the &quot;film&quot; of the incident is that Polanski was taking still photos of the girl prior to having sex with her.  If that&#039;s the case, those photos may be evidence of exploitation, but not of unlawful sex or rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And MCQ, they donâ€™t need her testimony. The guy filmed the event and gave interviews later about it. You can try him quite easily with his confession (the interviews) and the film.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stephen, I&#8217;m no criminal law expert, nor am I perfectly versed in the facts of this case, but I think you&#8217;re wrong.  </p>
<p>You still have to have a witness who is willing to testify against Polanski in court, and that witness can&#8217;t be Polanski.  The 5th amendment still applies, and you can&#8217;t enter out of court statements as evidence of anything, since they are subject to the hearsay rule.  </p>
<p>My understanding of the &#8220;film&#8221; of the incident is that Polanski was taking still photos of the girl prior to having sex with her.  If that&#8217;s the case, those photos may be evidence of exploitation, but not of unlawful sex or rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/09/28/roman-polanski.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113683</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;wouldnâ€™t the statute of limitations apply? Or isnâ€™t there one in this case?&lt;/b&gt;

Not when you flee the jurisdiction, it tolls (suspends) the running of limitations.

And MCQ, they don&#039;t need her testimony.  The guy filmed the event and gave interviews later about it.  You can try him quite easily with his confession (the interviews) and the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>wouldnâ€™t the statute of limitations apply? Or isnâ€™t there one in this case?</b></p>
<p>Not when you flee the jurisdiction, it tolls (suspends) the running of limitations.</p>
<p>And MCQ, they don&#8217;t need her testimony.  The guy filmed the event and gave interviews later about it.  You can try him quite easily with his confession (the interviews) and the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is a new trial, wouldn&#039;t the statute of limitations apply?  Or isn&#039;t there one in this case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is a new trial, wouldn&#8217;t the statute of limitations apply?  Or isn&#8217;t there one in this case?</p>
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		<title>By: MCQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>queno, you&#039;re missing the point.

Her opinions don&#039;t matter for the sake of his coinviction.  The point is that she did not ever testify at trial because he pleaded guilty.  The problem is that the guilty plea is the subject of a motion to dismiss because of prosecutorial misconduct.  If that is granted, he would have to be tried and she would have to testify, which she has said she will not do.  So if the guilty plea is withdrawn, he will never be convicted.  Case dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>queno, you&#8217;re missing the point.</p>
<p>Her opinions don&#8217;t matter for the sake of his coinviction.  The point is that she did not ever testify at trial because he pleaded guilty.  The problem is that the guilty plea is the subject of a motion to dismiss because of prosecutorial misconduct.  If that is granted, he would have to be tried and she would have to testify, which she has said she will not do.  So if the guilty plea is withdrawn, he will never be convicted.  Case dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did some research.  Polanski filmed the rape.  He also gave an interview where he explained that he was living out the fantasy everyone had of having sex with little girls.  A motif he would repeat with other underage targets.

So, he deserves a prosecution for making child porn, intentionally so.  No need for the grand jury testimony at all, or anything besides his own public statements and his filmography ... or at least that part of his oerve.

Unless you think fame, fortune and liberal media adoration are the appropriate rewards for that sort of repeat behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did some research.  Polanski filmed the rape.  He also gave an interview where he explained that he was living out the fantasy everyone had of having sex with little girls.  A motif he would repeat with other underage targets.</p>
<p>So, he deserves a prosecution for making child porn, intentionally so.  No need for the grand jury testimony at all, or anything besides his own public statements and his filmography &#8230; or at least that part of his oerve.</p>
<p>Unless you think fame, fortune and liberal media adoration are the appropriate rewards for that sort of repeat behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t -- and shouldn&#039;t, as a regular course -- take the opinions of victims into account.  I know, that smacks of heartlessness, but that&#039;s not their place.  (As far as I&#039;m concerned, it&#039;s wrong to let victims testify at sentencing hearings.)

Plus, we&#039;re weighing Roman Polanski according to the facts of the case (and his guilty plea) as it occurred back in the day, not today.  The victim&#039;s forgiveness does not mitigate what she testified or thought back then.

Maybe Roman Polanski should be retried using her grand jury testimony given TODAY&#039;S attitudes toward child rapists.  I think he&#039;s looking at a better deal with the situation as it currently stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t &#8212; and shouldn&#8217;t, as a regular course &#8212; take the opinions of victims into account.  I know, that smacks of heartlessness, but that&#8217;s not their place.  (As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it&#8217;s wrong to let victims testify at sentencing hearings.)</p>
<p>Plus, we&#8217;re weighing Roman Polanski according to the facts of the case (and his guilty plea) as it occurred back in the day, not today.  The victim&#8217;s forgiveness does not mitigate what she testified or thought back then.</p>
<p>Maybe Roman Polanski should be retried using her grand jury testimony given TODAY&#8217;S attitudes toward child rapists.  I think he&#8217;s looking at a better deal with the situation as it currently stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/09/28/roman-polanski.htm/comment-page-1#comment-113668</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is the first time Iâ€™ve ever heard of Joyce McKinney. That is quite a bizarre case isnâ€™t it? She got away with it because of the novelty of the whole situation. Who would want to believe that a Mormon missionary got kidnapped by a former beauty queen and forced to have sex? Unreal&lt;/i&gt;

As was the fact he had gained quite a bit of weight on his mission and did not look very attractive when it all happened.  The British newspaper that broke the story about how the ex-girlfriend financed the entire thing is a story of its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is the first time Iâ€™ve ever heard of Joyce McKinney. That is quite a bizarre case isnâ€™t it? She got away with it because of the novelty of the whole situation. Who would want to believe that a Mormon missionary got kidnapped by a former beauty queen and forced to have sex? Unreal</i></p>
<p>As was the fact he had gained quite a bit of weight on his mission and did not look very attractive when it all happened.  The British newspaper that broke the story about how the ex-girlfriend financed the entire thing is a story of its own.</p>
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