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	<title>Comments on: Letter I know very well Where to Send, but Won&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: Goldarn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goldarn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no greater strangers than 2 Utah mormons who live across the street, but in two different stakes. They are likely to never meet. I always found that sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no greater strangers than 2 Utah mormons who live across the street, but in two different stakes. They are likely to never meet. I always found that sad.</p>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>queuno--I am not saying that I cannot look up where a particular family in my ward lives.  I am saying that I don&#039;t do that without cause.  I don&#039;t just sit down and go through the directory from A to Z looking up addresses, and I don&#039;t figure out where every new member lives just for kicks.  If I have a reason to figure out where a particular family resides, I certainly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>queuno&#8211;I am not saying that I cannot look up where a particular family in my ward lives.  I am saying that I don&#8217;t do that without cause.  I don&#8217;t just sit down and go through the directory from A to Z looking up addresses, and I don&#8217;t figure out where every new member lives just for kicks.  If I have a reason to figure out where a particular family resides, I certainly do.</p>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annegb--I&#039;m fine.

Jana--I think you are largely correct.  The only exception I would make is a particular kind of person (in the minority) who perhaps comes from a largely Mormon area and in a largely non-Mormon area continues to only associate with Mormons.  Very much a minority, but often present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annegb&#8211;I&#8217;m fine.</p>
<p>Jana&#8211;I think you are largely correct.  The only exception I would make is a particular kind of person (in the minority) who perhaps comes from a largely Mormon area and in a largely non-Mormon area continues to only associate with Mormons.  Very much a minority, but often present.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DKL and annegb

I respectfully disagree with your statement about friendliness vs. kindness.  This sort of broad-brush is not the case everywhere.  I&#039;ve lived all over the U.S. and have experienced different regional personality norms and find that the Mormon community tends to reflect these norms.  There are some that are more or less friendly, and surprise!  this is how people are.  I have experienced plenty of acts of kindness from my Mormon neighbors regardless of the place in which I live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DKL and annegb</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree with your statement about friendliness vs. kindness.  This sort of broad-brush is not the case everywhere.  I&#8217;ve lived all over the U.S. and have experienced different regional personality norms and find that the Mormon community tends to reflect these norms.  There are some that are more or less friendly, and surprise!  this is how people are.  I have experienced plenty of acts of kindness from my Mormon neighbors regardless of the place in which I live.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
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		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESO, you must feel a bit picked on and criticized.  I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m sure it wasn&#039;t your intent.  I think your point is well taken.  We need to include.  And include.  And include.  My sister read this and commented about how she is that way.  I&#039;m a bull in a China shop and this sort of things just comes easy to me.  So I&#039;m sorry if my comments stung, honestly, please forgive me.

Speaking for myself, totally, I was surprised because I think of you as strong and brave.  We should do lunch.  Can I stay at your house when I come to New York?  And we can do breakfast and lunch and dinner...and midnight snack :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESO, you must feel a bit picked on and criticized.  I&#8217;m sorry, I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t your intent.  I think your point is well taken.  We need to include.  And include.  And include.  My sister read this and commented about how she is that way.  I&#8217;m a bull in a China shop and this sort of things just comes easy to me.  So I&#8217;m sorry if my comments stung, honestly, please forgive me.</p>
<p>Speaking for myself, totally, I was surprised because I think of you as strong and brave.  We should do lunch.  Can I stay at your house when I come to New York?  And we can do breakfast and lunch and dinner&#8230;and midnight snack <img src='http://www.mormonmentality.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virtually every ward in the US now is on lds.org, where you can download updated-within-the-week membership lists.  And with Google maps, it&#039;s easy to see what streets are around us.

It just doesn&#039;t seem like a stretch to me to look up where people live in the ward.  It happens a lot that my wife will mention some family, and I don&#039;t know where they live, and she&#039;ll mention a street, and so then I&#039;ll go look up the street in Google maps.  If I want to know more, I&#039;ll look up their address on lds.org.

The Church has spent a lot of tithing money to make it so that people in wards know where other people live.  Is that money being wasted?  I know they have plans to eventually actually *map* every address into a ward map, automatically, but in the meantime, it seems like such a low bar to cross.  In our ward, we haven&#039;t printed a formal directory in almost 2 years.  We just refer people to lds.org.  Until late last year, we had over 600 members, so it wasn&#039;t like we were a tiny ward where it was easy to know where everyone lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtually every ward in the US now is on lds.org, where you can download updated-within-the-week membership lists.  And with Google maps, it&#8217;s easy to see what streets are around us.</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t seem like a stretch to me to look up where people live in the ward.  It happens a lot that my wife will mention some family, and I don&#8217;t know where they live, and she&#8217;ll mention a street, and so then I&#8217;ll go look up the street in Google maps.  If I want to know more, I&#8217;ll look up their address on lds.org.</p>
<p>The Church has spent a lot of tithing money to make it so that people in wards know where other people live.  Is that money being wasted?  I know they have plans to eventually actually *map* every address into a ward map, automatically, but in the meantime, it seems like such a low bar to cross.  In our ward, we haven&#8217;t printed a formal directory in almost 2 years.  We just refer people to lds.org.  Until late last year, we had over 600 members, so it wasn&#8217;t like we were a tiny ward where it was easy to know where everyone lives.</p>
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		<title>By: annegb</title>
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		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dkl, I love what you say about Mormons being friendly but often not kind. Because we are such a sort of goofily outgoing people, it can be hurtful when we aren&#039;t included or at least feel that way.  I don&#039;t think other religions have that strong social structure that we do. 

I used to know where everybody lived but since I was gone for 6 months and they added new people to the ward, I don&#039;t know a lot of people. I like to tell the new people I just got out on parole.  When I can keep a straight face long enough, I really spin a yarn. Molly Mormon types are the funnest ones in that situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dkl, I love what you say about Mormons being friendly but often not kind. Because we are such a sort of goofily outgoing people, it can be hurtful when we aren&#8217;t included or at least feel that way.  I don&#8217;t think other religions have that strong social structure that we do. </p>
<p>I used to know where everybody lived but since I was gone for 6 months and they added new people to the ward, I don&#8217;t know a lot of people. I like to tell the new people I just got out on parole.  When I can keep a straight face long enough, I really spin a yarn. Molly Mormon types are the funnest ones in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam B--yeah, if my area had numbered streets, or people who lived in a fairly concentrated area, I would be much more likely to know where people lived.  As it is, I can ask someone where they live and they will tell me the name of a town (the ward covers several) and unless they live on a major road in that town or over a landmark business, I am unlikely to know where they live, even if they give me the address.  That is for the English speakers, who live within our borders; at least 1/3rd of the ward come for the Spanish or ASL services we host, and they come from several counties.  So no, I don&#039;t know where everyone lives.

My guess is that some specific characteristics of my neighborhood that perhaps make us more likely to interact: we are semi-urban so although we live in separated houses, we are all on relatively small lots and live within walking distance of schools, businesses, town hall, the library, parks, etc.  So we walk, and indeed, most of our introductions took place when we were outside already.  I know the suburban neighborhoods in which I grew up were much less connected--just that little bit more lawn or driveways a bit more spread out seemed to make all the difference in actually talking to neighbors.  Anyway, I dig it.

M&amp;M--You are very right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam B&#8211;yeah, if my area had numbered streets, or people who lived in a fairly concentrated area, I would be much more likely to know where people lived.  As it is, I can ask someone where they live and they will tell me the name of a town (the ward covers several) and unless they live on a major road in that town or over a landmark business, I am unlikely to know where they live, even if they give me the address.  That is for the English speakers, who live within our borders; at least 1/3rd of the ward come for the Spanish or ASL services we host, and they come from several counties.  So no, I don&#8217;t know where everyone lives.</p>
<p>My guess is that some specific characteristics of my neighborhood that perhaps make us more likely to interact: we are semi-urban so although we live in separated houses, we are all on relatively small lots and live within walking distance of schools, businesses, town hall, the library, parks, etc.  So we walk, and indeed, most of our introductions took place when we were outside already.  I know the suburban neighborhoods in which I grew up were much less connected&#8211;just that little bit more lawn or driveways a bit more spread out seemed to make all the difference in actually talking to neighbors.  Anyway, I dig it.</p>
<p>M&#038;M&#8211;You are very right.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experiences have been very different with Mormon neighbors. Sure, we have work to do, but let&#039;s not condemn the whole with a wide sweep. 

It IS cool, though, how your neighbors welcomed you. And of course, there are plenty of good, kind people outside the Church. But there are lots inside, too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experiences have been very different with Mormon neighbors. Sure, we have work to do, but let&#8217;s not condemn the whole with a wide sweep. </p>
<p>It IS cool, though, how your neighbors welcomed you. And of course, there are plenty of good, kind people outside the Church. But there are lots inside, too. <img src='http://www.mormonmentality.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, when we I lived in New York, I knew where essentially everybody in the ward lived.  Now that I&#039;m in Chicago, I don&#039;t even know where streets are when people tell me where they live, and I have no idea where our ward boundaries are.

I&#039;ve also never moved anywhere where people actively came and welcomed me to the neighborhood, so I think it&#039;s pretty cool that your neighbors did that. Good for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, when we I lived in New York, I knew where essentially everybody in the ward lived.  Now that I&#8217;m in Chicago, I don&#8217;t even know where streets are when people tell me where they live, and I have no idea where our ward boundaries are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also never moved anywhere where people actively came and welcomed me to the neighborhood, so I think it&#8217;s pretty cool that your neighbors did that. Good for them.</p>
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