Comments on: Climate Change: The Enron of Science http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:49:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Snapa http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-116160 Snapa Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:28:54 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-116160 Perhaps the most reffered to document regarding this subject is the IPCC report. Have the people that cite this report actually read it? There is also a report named NIPCC, which has been about for a while. Has anybody actaully read this report? If it is a scientific point of view you are after - you should read both. The facts become more clear. Cheers, Snapa Perhaps the most reffered to document regarding this subject is the IPCC report. Have the people that cite this report actually read it? There is also a report named NIPCC, which has been about for a while. Has anybody actaully read this report? If it is a scientific point of view you are after – you should read both. The facts become more clear.

Cheers,
Snapa

]]> By: DKL http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115328 DKL Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:11:19 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115328 That's an out-and-out falsehood, djinn -- just like the rest of your filthy propaganda. You can't come here to spread you're garbage unanswered. We're not a peer reviewed journal controlled by thugs. For my part, I don't much care whether you cling bitterly to your superstitions about the weather. But it does bug me that you proselyte for it. That’s an out-and-out falsehood, djinn — just like the rest of your filthy propaganda. You can’t come here to spread you’re garbage unanswered. We’re not a peer reviewed journal controlled by thugs.

For my part, I don’t much care whether you cling bitterly to your superstitions about the weather. But it does bug me that you proselyte for it.

]]> By: djinn http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115310 djinn Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:16:29 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115310 Well, Jack, Russia had quite a bit of upheaval between 1870 and 1950, what with the various revolutions, two world wars, massive population movements and the like, so what was going on at all those stations during that time? But the important data is the 1950's-on stuff, and it is validated by the data set. Validated. Well, Jack, Russia had quite a bit of upheaval between 1870 and 1950, what with the various revolutions, two world wars, massive population movements and the like, so what was going on at all those stations during that time? But the important data is the 1950’s-on stuff, and it is validated by the data set. Validated.

]]> By: Jack http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115309 Jack Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:46:47 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115309 Here's a fun way of looking the bigger picture: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/ Here’s a fun way of looking the bigger picture:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/

]]> By: Jack http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115308 Jack Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:43:23 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115308 djinn, The problem is that the "cherry-picked" data has a substantial influence on how earlier (pre-1950) is read. The overall rise in temperature over the last century is far less dramatic when data from all the stations is included. 1975 is about as low as the pre-WWII low, for example. And so what we *don't* have is a steady rise in temperature that mirrors a steady increase in CO2 emmissions. A very significant (omitted) detail, IMO. djinn,

The problem is that the “cherry-picked” data has a substantial influence on how earlier (pre-1950) is read. The overall rise in temperature over the last century is far less dramatic when data from all the stations is included. 1975 is about as low as the pre-WWII low, for example. And so what we *don’t* have is a steady rise in temperature that mirrors a steady increase in CO2 emmissions. A very significant (omitted) detail, IMO.

]]> By: djinn http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115306 djinn Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:47:51 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115306 The datasets in the IEA report runs from 1870 to the present. Well, the smaller and the larger datasets do diverge quite a bit between 1870 and about 1940ish, but then they converge. The IEA report uses the entire dataset to produce their divergence numbers. This is the wrong way to go about it, because they imply that the divergence spreads equally across all the dates, but their very own graph shows otherwise. The datasets in the IEA report runs from 1870 to the present. Well, the smaller and the larger datasets do diverge quite a bit between 1870 and about 1940ish, but then they converge. The IEA report uses the entire dataset to produce their divergence numbers. This is the wrong way to go about it, because they imply that the divergence spreads equally across all the dates, but their very own graph shows otherwise.

]]> By: djinn http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115305 djinn Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:27:11 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115305 DKL, the problem with the Telegraph news report (that you link to at comment 101) is that it <strong>completely misrepresents </strong>the Russian IEA report. The report, found <a href="http://www.iea.ru/article/kioto_order/15.12.2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> (in Russion, but that's OK) published a graph at the top of page 20 which shows a red line and a blue line. The red line is the temperature trend from the 121 stations used by the CRU, the blue line is the temperature trend using the full 426 Russian station set. The curves match just about exactly from about 1950 on. The Russian report shows that there was <strong>no</strong> distortion and <strong>no</strong> falsification, rather their data <strong>supports </strong>the anthropogenic global warming theory. How this is gotten exactly 180 degrees wrong by the news, again, is baffling. DKL, the problem with the Telegraph news report (that you link to at comment 101) is that it completely misrepresents the Russian IEA report. The report, found here (in Russion, but that’s OK) published a graph at the top of page 20 which shows a red line and a blue line. The red line is the temperature trend from the 121 stations used by the CRU, the blue line is the temperature trend using the full 426 Russian station set. The curves match just about exactly from about 1950 on. The Russian report shows that there was no distortion and no falsification, rather their data supports the anthropogenic global warming theory.

How this is gotten exactly 180 degrees wrong by the news, again, is baffling.

]]> By: DKL http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115295 DKL Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:23:42 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115295 Excellent video, Jack. Thanks for posting the link. Excellent video, Jack. Thanks for posting the link.

]]> By: Jack http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115284 Jack Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:51:38 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115284 Here's an amazing little amateur video that brings up some of the same concerns that seem to be bothering the Russians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcsvaCPYgcI Really. Give it a chance. Don't worry that it's a quaint little warm and fuzzy father and son project. Here’s an amazing little amateur video that brings up some of the same concerns that seem to be bothering the Russians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcsvaCPYgcI

Really. Give it a chance. Don’t worry that it’s a quaint little warm and fuzzy father and son project.

]]> By: DKL http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/27/climate-change-the-enron-of-science.htm/comment-page-3#comment-115282 DKL Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:44:02 +0000 http://www.mormonmentality.org/?p=2706#comment-115282 More proof of what the leaked cliamategate emails already proved beyond a reasonable doubt: <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020126/climategate-goes-serial-now-the-russians-confirm-that-uk-climate-scientists-manipulated-data-to-exaggerate-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">The Russians are claiming that the data they've provided has been distorted and falsified to support global warming theories</a>. News like this will continue to pour forth for the simple reason that global warming has the same ontological status as Soviet economic forecasts. If it didn't have such a potentially detrimental impact on policy making, legislation, and government spending, the futile efforts of flailing propagandists to pretend that there's still anything left to global warming theories would be humorous. More proof of what the leaked cliamategate emails already proved beyond a reasonable doubt: The Russians are claiming that the data they’ve provided has been distorted and falsified to support global warming theories.

News like this will continue to pour forth for the simple reason that global warming has the same ontological status as Soviet economic forecasts. If it didn’t have such a potentially detrimental impact on policy making, legislation, and government spending, the futile efforts of flailing propagandists to pretend that there’s still anything left to global warming theories would be humorous.

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