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	<description>Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People</description>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/29/close-encounters-with-priestcraft.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115105</link>
		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I had a great encounter with P Craft when the living scripture guy showed up at our house. &lt;/i&gt;

We kicked him out after about 5 minutes (this was about 8 years ago).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I had a great encounter with P Craft when the living scripture guy showed up at our house. </i></p>
<p>We kicked him out after about 5 minutes (this was about 8 years ago).</p>
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		<title>By: bbell</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/29/close-encounters-with-priestcraft.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115057</link>
		<dc:creator>bbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a great encounter with P Craft when the living scripture guy showed up at our house.  The guy set up a little tape player and starting playing primary songs on it.  I was shocked!!!!!  I did not buy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a great encounter with P Craft when the living scripture guy showed up at our house.  The guy set up a little tape player and starting playing primary songs on it.  I was shocked!!!!!  I did not buy</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/29/close-encounters-with-priestcraft.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115046</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And many crazies claim to be inspired.&lt;/em&gt;

I think the reason &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; they are crazy is because they can&#039;t tell the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And many crazies claim to be inspired.</em></p>
<p>I think the reason <em>why</em> they are crazy is because they can&#8217;t tell the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/29/close-encounters-with-priestcraft.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™ve met some Utahns (usually missionaries, but in the past it was MTC branch presidents) who tried to sound like GAâ€™s&lt;/em&gt;

That is bad enough, but what is really scary are GA&#039;s that try to sound like prototypical GA&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Iâ€™ve met some Utahns (usually missionaries, but in the past it was MTC branch presidents) who tried to sound like GAâ€™s</em></p>
<p>That is bad enough, but what is really scary are GA&#8217;s that try to sound like prototypical GA&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: queuno</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/29/close-encounters-with-priestcraft.htm/comment-page-1#comment-115031</link>
		<dc:creator>queuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis, I&#039;ll try to do better.  (j/k)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, I&#8217;ll try to do better.  (j/k)</p>
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		<title>By: rk</title>
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		<dc:creator>rk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served my mission in a place where the church is really small and there are very few members.  A lot of the members we had were rather eccentric.  This ended up being to their benefit because often eccentric people are less self-conscience about what others think about them.  Most of these members were quirky, but faithful and I had a lot of respect for them.  There were a couple of people that were weird in a creepy way as described in this post.  I remember Dan the Blessing Man who would give blessings to less-actives, investigators or anyone else who would listen to him.  Rumor had it that this guy had been on LSD and I believed it. I couldn&#039;t believe that anyone could be gullible enough to take this guy seriously, but then there were a lot of interesting people in that ward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served my mission in a place where the church is really small and there are very few members.  A lot of the members we had were rather eccentric.  This ended up being to their benefit because often eccentric people are less self-conscience about what others think about them.  Most of these members were quirky, but faithful and I had a lot of respect for them.  There were a couple of people that were weird in a creepy way as described in this post.  I remember Dan the Blessing Man who would give blessings to less-actives, investigators or anyone else who would listen to him.  Rumor had it that this guy had been on LSD and I believed it. I couldn&#8217;t believe that anyone could be gullible enough to take this guy seriously, but then there were a lot of interesting people in that ward.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2009/11/29/close-encounters-with-priestcraft.htm/comment-page-1#comment-114988</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15: ESO, it&#039;s the smarmy, smug, self-righteous tone of everything he says that gives me that creepy feeling. It just isn&#039;t his place to call us to repentance in the way he does, and his attempts to dictate what we should discuss, and how, have an aura of manipulation that is part of every creepy situation I&#039;ve known in real life.

-- 

Bookslinger, there&#039;s every difference between what you do and the kind of situation we -- at least I -- are thinking of. You offer; they impose. You care enough about the nuances to make sure a Muslim understands that your material is Christian; they don&#039;t care about offending. You deliver your material and step into the background; they keep coming back to strengthen their personal position. You&#039;re thinking of doing good for the person you&#039;re talking to; they&#039;re thinking about what&#039;s in it for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15: ESO, it&#8217;s the smarmy, smug, self-righteous tone of everything he says that gives me that creepy feeling. It just isn&#8217;t his place to call us to repentance in the way he does, and his attempts to dictate what we should discuss, and how, have an aura of manipulation that is part of every creepy situation I&#8217;ve known in real life.</p>
<p>&#8211; </p>
<p>Bookslinger, there&#8217;s every difference between what you do and the kind of situation we &#8212; at least I &#8212; are thinking of. You offer; they impose. You care enough about the nuances to make sure a Muslim understands that your material is Christian; they don&#8217;t care about offending. You deliver your material and step into the background; they keep coming back to strengthen their personal position. You&#8217;re thinking of doing good for the person you&#8217;re talking to; they&#8217;re thinking about what&#8217;s in it for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At times there can be a fine line between insanity and inspiration.  Most prophets, even Jesus, were thought to be crazy by their contemporaries.  And many crazies claim to be inspired.  And I think we gotta admit, the whole LDS foundational narrative, a 14 year-old seeing God, then an angel (who nobody else saw) in his bedroom, then digging up buried gold, is crazy by worldly standards.  And even the foundation of Christianity as seen by non-Christians: &quot;Ok, so your God was born to a mortal woman, grew up, and then died, but then he came back to life, right?&quot;   And then &quot;Pay you 10% of what I make, plus give up cigarettes, beer AND coffee?  Plus THREE hours on Sunday? Whoa!&quot; 

Sometimes, those on the fringe, or those we think to be flawed, are humble enough to be more receptive to the more unconventional promptings of the Spirit.  

As tools of discernment, we have at least three things available:

1) The Lord&#039;s order of a top-down hierarchy for church doctrine and directing the activities of various church units: The First Presidency, the Quorum of the 12, the 70&#039;s, the area 70&#039;s, Stake presidents, Mission presidents, Bishops and branch presidents, quorum/RS presidents, family heads, individuals.  We&#039;re all free to share opinions, but revelation, doctrine and commandments come from the top down.

2) We are all entitled to some form of spiritual discernment or to receive confirmation from the Holy Ghost about what we see, hear or read.

3) Local leaders with whom we can consult confidentially, and review with them any seemingly crazy ideas we might have. (So far no one&#039;s told me to stop talking to strangers and offering them a &quot;church book&quot; in their language.)

This post _really_ hits home with me, because I realize it&#039;s my life-long lack of awareness of social conventions (or rather the late development of that awareness) that has enabled me to ask a stranger &quot;Hey, would you like a free book in your language from my church?&quot;  

It&#039;s an example of how God in His mercy turned a weakness or handicap into a strength or useful tool.

So I&#039;d say to be charitable to the fringey folk, the awkward, the flawed, and the late bloomers.  In regards to those you think have caused or might cause trouble for others, take your concerns to the Bishop or quorum/RS president.  Chances are the bishop is already aware of their situation.   And if it&#039;s a matter of abuse, and your Bishop doesn&#039;t take it seriously, go to your stake president.  And if you honestly think children have been hurt, or are in imminent danger, take it to the police too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At times there can be a fine line between insanity and inspiration.  Most prophets, even Jesus, were thought to be crazy by their contemporaries.  And many crazies claim to be inspired.  And I think we gotta admit, the whole LDS foundational narrative, a 14 year-old seeing God, then an angel (who nobody else saw) in his bedroom, then digging up buried gold, is crazy by worldly standards.  And even the foundation of Christianity as seen by non-Christians: &#8220;Ok, so your God was born to a mortal woman, grew up, and then died, but then he came back to life, right?&#8221;   And then &#8220;Pay you 10% of what I make, plus give up cigarettes, beer AND coffee?  Plus THREE hours on Sunday? Whoa!&#8221; </p>
<p>Sometimes, those on the fringe, or those we think to be flawed, are humble enough to be more receptive to the more unconventional promptings of the Spirit.  </p>
<p>As tools of discernment, we have at least three things available:</p>
<p>1) The Lord&#8217;s order of a top-down hierarchy for church doctrine and directing the activities of various church units: The First Presidency, the Quorum of the 12, the 70&#8242;s, the area 70&#8242;s, Stake presidents, Mission presidents, Bishops and branch presidents, quorum/RS presidents, family heads, individuals.  We&#8217;re all free to share opinions, but revelation, doctrine and commandments come from the top down.</p>
<p>2) We are all entitled to some form of spiritual discernment or to receive confirmation from the Holy Ghost about what we see, hear or read.</p>
<p>3) Local leaders with whom we can consult confidentially, and review with them any seemingly crazy ideas we might have. (So far no one&#8217;s told me to stop talking to strangers and offering them a &#8220;church book&#8221; in their language.)</p>
<p>This post _really_ hits home with me, because I realize it&#8217;s my life-long lack of awareness of social conventions (or rather the late development of that awareness) that has enabled me to ask a stranger &#8220;Hey, would you like a free book in your language from my church?&#8221;  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an example of how God in His mercy turned a weakness or handicap into a strength or useful tool.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d say to be charitable to the fringey folk, the awkward, the flawed, and the late bloomers.  In regards to those you think have caused or might cause trouble for others, take your concerns to the Bishop or quorum/RS president.  Chances are the bishop is already aware of their situation.   And if it&#8217;s a matter of abuse, and your Bishop doesn&#8217;t take it seriously, go to your stake president.  And if you honestly think children have been hurt, or are in imminent danger, take it to the police too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, i&#039;m not too fond of my own farts either...

I honestly haven&#039;t met any crazies who fit this description at church. I&#039;ve met plenty of crazies, just none that thought they were all that.

I did however meet a crazy on my mission while out one day. He had long hair down to the middle of his back, and a well trimmed beard. He was extremely well groomed and had nice clean clothes on. He claimed he was walking to the coast to preach the gospel. We asked him if he&#039;d heard of the Book of Mormon, and he said yes, and that he believed in it. We also asked him if he believed that a man had to be ordained of God by laying on of hands. That&#039;s when he told us that God&#039;s hands appeared and God laid his hands on his head and called him to be an apostle. Well, we couldn&#039;t argue with him on this matter. He totally had us stumped. We gave him a copy of the Book of Mormon and sent him on his way. I will forever remember him as Gary the Apostle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, i&#8217;m not too fond of my own farts either&#8230;</p>
<p>I honestly haven&#8217;t met any crazies who fit this description at church. I&#8217;ve met plenty of crazies, just none that thought they were all that.</p>
<p>I did however meet a crazy on my mission while out one day. He had long hair down to the middle of his back, and a well trimmed beard. He was extremely well groomed and had nice clean clothes on. He claimed he was walking to the coast to preach the gospel. We asked him if he&#8217;d heard of the Book of Mormon, and he said yes, and that he believed in it. We also asked him if he believed that a man had to be ordained of God by laying on of hands. That&#8217;s when he told us that God&#8217;s hands appeared and God laid his hands on his head and called him to be an apostle. Well, we couldn&#8217;t argue with him on this matter. He totally had us stumped. We gave him a copy of the Book of Mormon and sent him on his way. I will forever remember him as Gary the Apostle.</p>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thereâ€™s one guy in the blogÂ­gerÂ­naÂ­cle I would put in this camp.&quot;

Is your sense so finely developed to get this over blogs, or do you know this person in real life?  Fascinating comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thereâ€™s one guy in the blogÂ­gerÂ­naÂ­cle I would put in this camp.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is your sense so finely developed to get this over blogs, or do you know this person in real life?  Fascinating comment.</p>
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