Comments on: Lift of Priesthood Ban a Simple Matter of Correlation

By: queuno

queuno — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:25:13 +0000

MCQ (14) – I missed your words the first time around, but I read them today. This type of behavior is something that keeps most of my siblings from having a full relationship with another family member. There is no topic that can’t be swept under the rug — and thus resolved — in her eyes. It doesn’t matter if it’s the priesthood ban or even an analysis of why someone lost their job — it’s just better not to talk about it. When you can’t talk about something, misinformation reigns.

By: DKL

DKL — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:37:15 +0000

BTD Greg, thanks for the clarification. Now that I’ve reread your comment, I see that I was confused. Sorry about the mistake.

a random john, agreed.

By: Moniker Challenged

Moniker Challenged — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:35:27 +0000

#22 Whoa, nelly! We didn’t even get that. Our whole lesson was on correlation.

By: annegb

annegb — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:21:58 +0000

Well this is off the subject but I’m certain when we go to a 2 hour meeting, I’ll be much more active.

By: Jared T.

Jared T. — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:59:36 +0000

ARJ, though I agree, one hour every four years would be pretty groundbreaking and a good start. My ward has had its hour (and I was so sorry that there were so few in class–a new Family relations class and the Family History class were going on, and of course a number of couples in Primary). Has yours?

By: a random John

a random John — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:58:25 +0000

Talking about this for one hour every four years is not nearly enough.

By: Jared T.

Jared T. — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:14:08 +0000

I had stepped away from this thread. Thanks Annegb and #8, I think.

We definitely need to create discursive space for this and topics like it.

By: MCQ

MCQ — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:09:15 +0000

JAB: I remember several real life discussions where people used that line to shut me up and I basically told them where to stick it (a couple times as a missionary). I’m fine if people don’t want to know about a subject or don’t want to discuss it themselves, but to tell other people that they shouldn’t discuss it for that reason strikes me as impertinent at best.

Chris, I’m glad you weren’t trying to shut anything down. I agree we should talk about ways to improve ourselves and serve others. I just think that knowing more about subjects like the priesthood ban is one of the ways we improve ourselves and serve others.

By: annegb

annegb — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:55:55 +0000

Regression. We still can’t talk about it. I brought it up the other day to my visiting teacher as I told her about Margaret Young’s work and she honestly looked at me like I was an apostate for saying it was racism. That Brigham Young’s ban was simple practicality based on the racism of the land. We just can never say a prophet did something wrong.

I’m sure the resentment I feel about not being able to discuss honestly these topics is keeping me from full activity. I go, but I’m super angry.

I liked how you approached it, Jared.

I agree with Mcq. But I’d probably go further and say, “those of you who previously spouted all that crap need to crawl on your hands and knees and beg my forgiveness and admit publicly, on the Today show, what morons you are.” But that’s how my mind works.

I mean it, too, beg my own personal forgiveness. I’m not proud of it, but that’s the way I roll.

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:08:56 +0000

Fair enough. I have no problem being wrong on this one. I’d just add that I think the same argument could be made about a dozen things which are not focused on more often in the church.

And I’m quite certain we could all learn a lot more to improve our lives by dissecting the United Order than some of the ODs, which we don’t. The same could be said of polygamy as well… there are a lot of lessons that were learned by those involved, but the lessons learned would not outweigh the hurt and anguish and mistatments that would inevitably apply.

The salvation bit was not so much to shut anything down, but to point out that what I really feel we -need- to talk about are ways we can be better and improve ourselves and serve others. This says nothing about whether something is a good topic or helpful to discuss, etc.