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Great post. As people who supposedly believe in an open canon, we should be great examples of open minds. |
For what it’s worth – there is terminology in Islam that deals with this sort of thing – and that is somewhat parallel to these kinds of questions. There is term called ijtihad. There is an assumption/understanding that there are certain issues in Islam which are not formally determined by the Qur’an and the sunna. So the scholar or adherent to Islam will utilize reasoning and judgment to arrive at religious decisions of how to deal with those issues. BUT – there is an idea that after a certain point in time in Islamic history, these issues had all been covered or decided or explained by Muslim authorities – and so the time for reasoning had ended or “the gates of ijtihad had closed” which, as I understand it, would be another way of saying “epistemic closure.” I think Mormonism, with its belief in continuing revelation and personal revelation, naturally is supposed to reject that idea. But I wonder if in practice we might practice our own version of this closure that is being talked about. |
So what’s the difference between a centrist and a moderate? |
“But I wonder if in practice we might practice our own version of this closure that is being talked about.” I think that is to some degree necessary. We do it as individuals. When (if) the prophet speaks the coming years and says women will be commissioned and authorized to perform additional ordinances in the church (they already do some in the Temple), we will all recognize it as revelation. But none of us have authority to push the canon through revealed revelations in the church, so it’s pretty much closed for us. Mormonism leaves the door open to new revelations and canon, but we have to act on a day to day basis as though it’s closed simply because we need to act on what’s revealed to us. Not what might/could/may never be. |
Annegb (3), I think moderate/centrist are basically interchangeable terms. chris (4), I think you’re right; in matters of faith, we have epistemic closure on some things, but it’s interesting how we hope people of other faiths will reopen their minds when presented with our ideas. |
“Mormonism leaves the door open to new revelations and canon, but we have to act on a day to day basis as though it’s closed simply because we need to act on what’s revealed to us. Not what might/could/may never be.” I disagree. Just the fact that you are admitting of the possibilty of women performing additional ordinances or holding the priesthood means you have an open mind about such things, but there are many members who do not, and their faith may be found to be much more brittle if that revelation ever comes. I think we should act as though such revelations could be received at any time and that we would have no problem following whatever we become convinced that God has revealed to the prophet. If we act as though the last word has been spoken on any issue we are potentialy limiting our faith. |
Great post and discussion. I have found that I have gone through a similar path – all was distinctly black and white, but now everything is grey in religious matters. Similarly, in politics, I was a flaming liberal in my 20s but now in my 30s, I am pretty much a centrist. |
Devyn: At least you’re heading in the right direction. Here’s hoping you become a conservative by your 40th birthday. (Or by the time your oldest daughter turns 16.) |
“but there are many members who do not, and their faith may be found to be much more brittle if that revelation ever comes. ” That may be, but there were many members who felt Blacks would never have the Priesthood (at least until the Millennium) and they got it and people accept it and moved on. That’s what I meant by we act like the door is closed, even though its not. Many people act a bit more literally, but once a revelation is given we adjust and move on. I have no problem with the concept of women officiating in priesthood functions, but I think part of that might also reflect a misunderstanding of what Priesthood is. We seem to equate priesthood with male and I don’t think that is the case. Not to go off on a tangent about Priesthood…. but I think in the Gospel, we are often looking for “why” and the Lord is giving us “what”. The why is important, but not at expense of the what. I think this relates to the concept of supposedly being close minded and the thrust of this post. Perhaps sometimes we’re convinced we’ve answered all the whys (such as why don’t Black members have the Priesthood pre 1972) but once we receive a revelation that changes the answer to what we move on. — it’s interesting to note, we still don’t have a very compelling answer for why blacks didn’t have the Priesthood, which leaves people grasping for a bunch of presumably errouneous whys like the prophet was in error, the people weren’t worthy, the blacks weren’t ready, etc. We don’t necessarily know the why, and the revelations don’t exist for the sole purpose of satisfying curiosity but rather to help bring to pass God’s plan. But I disagree that church members are more close minded today than they were in the past and wouldn’t accept a new revelation that changed previously “settled” answers. I’ve probably not said that very well… |
“That may be, but there were many members who felt Blacks would never have the Priesthood (at least until the Millennium) and they got it and people accept it and moved on. That’s what I meant by we act like the door is closed, even though its not. Many people act a bit more literally, but once a revelation is given we adjust and move on.” Easy to say now. There were definitely members who never recovered their faith after that revelation, just as there were with the end of polygamy. We look back and think of the transition as a smooth one in hindsight but at the time it was anything but smooth for some people. I don’t think we are more closed minded now, probably less, but it doesn’t help to suggest that we should act as though we know that God’s mind is permanently made up on any particular issue. We shouldn’t because it probably isn’t. |
RE: #9 and #10 Many people left the Church in 1978 because they had either joined or stayed in the Church because they were racists. Once the revelation came they realized they did not believe int he Church so they left. Likewise with 1896 and polygamy the men who couldn’t give up having sex with multiple partners left he Church and started splinter groups. My Aunt served a mission in the “southern States” mission in the late 1950s. She met many members of the Church who did *not* believe that “colored people” (their term) actually had *human* spirits. Also the Church did not allow the missionaries in her mission to teach black people. Times have changed dramatically since then. |