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I absolutely love this, Bruce. I wish we heard more of this message from the pulpits in our chapels instead of “you’re so screwed if you don’t….”. So much of our religion—I’m sure not God intentions—is based on fear. I love the idea of grace. I’m still consumed with shame and, yes, fear, but I have more hope in grace than I ever did when I was young and raising my kids. I hope it’s true. I can’t remember a time when I heard a speaker joyfully proclaim “God loves you!” And maybe if you ever call about your iphone, you will get me! |
Gives new meaning to popcorn popping on the apricot tree. I may just have to hold onto that image for a while. Thanks Bruce :) I think there’s a lot to be said for being the joy we want to see in others, and manifesting the grace Bruce is describing. It’s one thing to hear about God’s glorious and loving grace and think, “wow, if that’s in everyone, they ought to be nice to me.” It’s another thing to think,”Wow, I should be nicer to everyone.” Those reactions have very different results. |
Lovely. |
Nice, Bruce. Although I have to take issue with the idea that God doesn’t care about Ivy League PhDs (just kidding). |
Ah, Orwell, I never said that. And God must love Ivy League grads, since so many of them end up as General Authorities. Or maybe he just wants to keep a close eye on them. :-) |
In the years since then, I have continued to dwell on that concept: that in most areas that we discern differences, the Lord sees few, if any. So what are the areas in which the Lord does see differences? Certainly education and/or business success matters to the Lord, as I can’t recall the last time I saw a life-long farmer with no formal education past high school called to the Quorum of the Seventy or Apostleship. |
Kari, I’m sure sure God has heard and answered the prayers of members all over the world for the church to stop getting cow and farm analogies in conference. But the Lord works in mysterious ways and we’ll have to suffer through a decade of, “When I vacation on my houseboat with the CEO, I realized an important principle…” before we learn to be careful what we pray for. But a dairy farmer was just added in 2002 actually. |
Really great post. Thank you. I agree with all that you say and have always thought that most of the things that cause some of us to stumble spiritually or deny the possiblity of a lovng God is our failure to understand how different His perspective must be on us and our lives. So many of the things that we see now as horrific tragedies must seem to him to be relatively unimpotant when viewed from the perspective of eternity. And yet He remembers every sparrow and numbers the hairs of our heads. |
Your presumption, Kari, is that God’s love is reflected by callings to ‘high’ position, something I don’t believe. That attitude underlies the whole concept of ‘Church careerism’, with successively ‘higher’ callings equal to promotions. Frankly, most of those callings are themselves transitory; out of the 20 million or so Mormons since 1830, only a tiny handful — a few hundred — have had those callings, and most of them are forgotten except to Church history buffs or those seeking interesting (or embarrassing) quotes from long ago. Quick test: how many apostles and seventies can you name who predate your own childhood? If you haven’t already (or haven’t in a while), go read “The Great Divorce” by C. S. Lewis and look for the passage where the narrator and George McDonald see “the great woman” go by in a procession. I absolutely believe that passage; the economy of heaven (in terms of what and who is valued) is very different than that of this world. ..bruce.. |
What I get is that Kari has noticed that there sure are a lot of rich people serving as general authorities. Here in Cedar City, if you’re a successful businessman and are halfway active, you’re pretty much guaranteed to be a bishop. And go on from there. But there is John Groberg, who writes about how poor they were. I think the church is pretty miserly, frankly, in how it pays its employees and probably in how it compensates the general authorities who aren’t independently wealthy. I agree with McQ. I don’t think we have a clue how God sees us; how he judges us. We live in this temporal world and “see through a glass, darkly.” I have only recently had a small glimpse of his love and delight in me, personally. I try to compare it to my love for my kids and grandkids. I get mushy about them. If “I, then, being evil…” We underestimate, I believe, but do not comprehend, the depth of God’s true affection for us. I hear a lot about love being a verb and the older I get, the less “affection” seems to mean. But the Lord feels true and abiding affection that never wavers (and I’m not dismissing the demands of justice here). I think if we knew how much he delights in each of us, individually, could see his eyes twinkling, hear his chuckle, or know that he understands totally our feelings and anguish, we’d find it easier to be better people. We’ve had punishment and damnation drilled into us to the nth degree. Even the most rebellious of us are, again just my belief, are scared to death in their hearts that they’re just screwed and can never overcome. |
The post reminded me of this story: Just as early Christianity was a “living church” because each lay member could function in its ordinances, so is Mormonism forceful today. In accordance with a revelation given to Joseph Smith, all worthy male members of the Church are ordained unto the Priesthood and have the right of advancement to the highest order therein. This is a gift more priceless than the wealth of the world. A learned professor of theology from the East recently visited one of the business men in Salt Lake City and expressed a desire to meet a Mormon bishop. The business man immediately pressed a button. The professor received the surprise of his life when in walked the janitor, who was introduced as the business man’s bishop. As long as a church draws its officers from different vocations, it will remain a vital growing concern.” |
Your words are so very true. I agree with all that you said. Thanks for the great post. |
i do agree with you. thanks for detail sharing. |
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