They are looking at porn at home & work so what the heck! I hope their daughters get implants and jobs at hooters!

ed42,

That’s a good one. I used to live right up the street from the original Hooters in Clearwater FL. The food has never been the attraction to that restaurant.

Except, of course, Hooters doesn’t have any different wait staff than any other chain restaurant.

The only reason to go is if you are desperate for something to use to annoy others.

Which might be why they are going there.

Oh, and if you get lost on New Years Eve, they usually have police officers at the local Hooters so you can stop and ask them for directions and help (which I learned from my daughter).

If there is another reason, I wouldn’t know it, but perhaps you would get better advice or comments from someone who has actually been to one.

Stupid, stupid boys.

We have to consider the possibility that these men are merely clueless owl aficionados :)

I really like the way Sam B. put it.

My mother in law was on vacation in another country with a member of the relief society general presidency who shall remain nameless but you would all recognize her by name.

They asked a local where they should eat near their hotel. Trying to be helpful this person asked what sort of food they wanted to eat. “Chicken.”. They soon found themselves at Hooters having no idea for what it was. They had their food before they figured it out. They then ate as quickly as they could and left in shame.

My question is, is this outing announced in Priesthood opening exercises, or billed as Manrichment? If not, then it does seem in bad taste, but it’s probably no worse than Superbowl parties or any other “gray area” private get-together…?

Mind your own business. Don’t broadcast the misgivings of others or assume what their misdeeds are, which is between them, the Lord, and to whatever extent is necessary, their church leaders.

Worst case, hopefully, one day they’ll know better and realize it’s not just that we should act prudish but that we should respect all God’s children for their innate worth and avoid contributing to their objectification.

How ridiculous. There are plenty of women to ogle in Church–why in the world would one pay for bad fried chicken in order to get the associated eye candy?

(Yes, I’m joking. About 85% joking, anyway.)

Jota G FTW!

LOL! I love the equality comments! Especially when they give balance to a biased suspiciously selfrighteous comment that propagates a demeaning stereotype.

“…really not much different then getting together and oogling the Twilight cast.”

“Probably better than a bunch of sisters getting together to go ogle Taylor Lautner in the latest Twilight movie…”

LOL LOL LOL… so true.

But at the end of the day, I think I am with Sam B (#9).

Never been to Hooters, but I love chicken wings. Anyone know if they are any good?

I’ve never been to Hooters so I can’t comment on their food. I would go if the food were worth the harassment I might get from my wife, but nobody has ever made that case.

If a bunch of guys want to get together and go to Hooters so that they feel “rebellious,” and see waitresses dressed in more clothes than the women at their local neighborhood pool, who cares? On the grand scale of things, I think this is pretty harmless. They should keep it to themselves, however. “Bragging” about going to Hooters is pretty dweebish.

I ate a a fancy French restaurant near SLC once. The waitresses wore 19th century french outfits with low necklines but the food was excellent. Well worth putting my soul at risk from the view.

Getting together to go to Hooters – completely unacceptable. Just a few small steps away from going to a topless bar. Besides, why even get close to the line of propriety? If you want a “guys’ night out” go to Applebee’s. If you want to step close to the line of infidelity, then go to Hooters.

Is this situation true? If so, then it makes me sick.

Infidelity Angie? Really? More like passing around a Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue while eating.

Sorry, but the comparison with the Twilight movies is a stretch (not that I’m a fan). I doubt many women watch just to “ogle” the cast; they go for the romantic story and the emotional connection. Sure, some find the actors really attractive, but the same could be said of nearly any popular romantic movie.

Hooters is all about breasts, people. It’s the name of the restaurant, for crying out loud. Waitresses are hired specifically for their breast size. The whole point is to ogle. If y’all think it’s no big deal for LDS men to support a restaurant that profits by objectifying women, well–I hardly know what to say to that.

Angie, Angie, Angie,
How is Appleby’s better than Hooters? Seriously, if you don’t want to put your soul at risk, go to a restaurant that gets its food from local farmers, not from a central distributor. Or better yet, go to one that raises its own food.

Angie has a point. My concern would be more about the alcohol than the boobs, however. Because first and foremost Hooters is a bar. How would you guys feel if your wife and 4 of her friends went to a bar regularly? It’s not right. No matter what religion you are. Even if all you’re doing is eating, watching the game and having a good time, the atmosphere isn’t one that is conducive to the spirit and you all know it.

Change to situation to a bunch of women and let’s see how good you feel about it.

Arlene,

I understand that Hooters is more of a restaurant with a bar than it is a bar with a restaurant. To say you shouldn’t go to Hooters because they serve alcohol is to say that you shouldn’t got to any number of chain restaurants (outside of Utah) that have bars – Red Robin, Chili’s, Applebee’s, Don Pablo’s, On the Border, etc.

I have been in a lot of restaurants with attractive waitresses and I have never grabbed a boob.

If the dilemma had been – “A bunch of guys get together to go to Hooters to grab boobs that don’t belong to their wives” I would have said it was wrong.

But if the greatest “sin” these guys make is to go to a restaurant where well endowed women who are fully clothed (albeit in form fitting clothes) serve them food on plates at tables just like at any other restaurant, they’re probably better off than a lot of people.

Do I patronize Hooters? No. Would I encourage others to patronize Hooters? No. Would I dissuade any group of which I am a part from patronizing Hooters? Yes. But am I going to condemn other brethren eat there? No. There are too many beams in my eye to address their splinters.

Is Hooters any more objectifying than pageants or cheerleaders?

If they have to avoid Hooters, must LDS men also avoid sporting events?

I have never been there, but I have bought their wing sauce from the grocery store and boy-oh-boy that is good stuff.

If someone says they go there only for the wings, I might be a tad skeptical, but I otherwise would believe them. The wings are that good.

I know a group of active, temple-worthy LDS men that regularly visit there with their wives. I’m pretty sure there’s no ogling going on with their eternal companions by their side.

Manuel, yeah right.

“Hooters is all about breasts, people. It’s the name of the restaurant, for crying out loud. Waitresses are hired specifically for their breast size. The whole point is to ogle. If y’all think it’s no big deal for LDS men to support a restaurant that profits by objectifying women, well–I hardly know what to say to that.”

Exactly.

And the definition of “infidelity” is to be unfaithful to your spouse… regular trips to Hooters is all about looking at other women’s breasts. It’s not a sport (cheerleading, beach volleyball) or art (Michaelangelo, Renoir) or science (gross anatomy). If a married man is purposely and regularly putting himself in a situation where he will be sitting close to and looking at other women’s half-naked bodies for no other reason than that the women are half-naked, then he is cheating on his wife.

I can’t believe I had to spell that out for some of you…

While I agree with Angie that going to Hooters is in bad taste for LDS men I do not agree that it is actually cheating. Cheating to me involves sexual/emotional intimacy with somebody other then your spouse.

I disagree with Jota to an extent also. I think if an LDS man is a “regular Hooters guy” he is more likely to be into porn and more likely to be open to cheating. The mindset that would involve regular visits to Hooters shows a willingness to walk a line regarding the potential for chastity issues.

I also tend to agree with Adam. There is a huge double standard in the LDS community regarding what is acceptable behavior. Twilight being the perfect example of the double standard. I think I detect a bbell post coming up.

“Waitresses are hired specifically for their breast size.”

I don’t think so. The waitresses I saw on the TV show were not all well endowed. I think they just try to hire attractive women, and their waitress outfits are just small shorts and small t-shirts. Doesn’t seem too threatening to me.

Certainly nothing to get worked up over.

JM

“safely naughty” is a good way to put it.

ah the Talibanization of America…

The word infidelity has been thrown around a lot in this discussion, mostly by women.

My question to you all is whether the kind of gossiping and griping about husbands that routinely goes on at officially sponsored Relief Society “stitch and bitch” sessions is better or worse than a man going to Hooters for some hot wings.

Well, Mark, your wife and her friends could probably have fun at Hooter’s too. Good food good friends. Ya think?

Applebee’s can be just as bad temptation for some people as Hooters. Applebee’s restaurants are centered around a bar. You can’t sit anywhere in the restaurant and not see the bar with just a turn of the head. Alcohol and alcoholism is just as much a problem for many people as adultery/fornication.

For those of you who’ve never been alcoholics, you probably won’t get what I’m talking about. But anyone who has suffered, struggled with, and overcome substance abuse can understand why you don’t want to be in places, or around things or people that bring that addiction lifestyle (or memories of your own past lifestyle) into view.

Has anyone noticed that most grocery stores have moved beer and wine (and sometimes hard liquor) out of the liquor aisle and are putting them on aisle end-caps and throughout the other high traffice aisles in grocery stores?

Kroger puts them opposite the meat and produce section now. You can’t shop for the basic nutrition without being exposed.

Again, you’re going to say “It doesn’t bother me. I don’t have that problem.” But think of the subliminal connections it is making on your children. They are being shown that alcohol goes right with meat, fruit, and vegetables.

I suppose there are people who can go to Hooters and keep a pure mind and heart, just like there are many who can go to restaurants with a prominent bar, and not be affected by the display and consumption of lots of liquor. But I’m not in either of those camps. Both of those situations remind me of a past destructive lifestyle.

Or, you know, so I’ve heard…

There is a Twin Peaks near where I live. It’s next to the Panda Express. It smells really good from the outside, but have no personal experience with the food or the “views.”

annegb, Jesus would also not be calling other people crap.

What is missing in the discussion is a comment about what Hooters is actually selling. Passable wings can be had from the deli counter in Walmart for much less and boobs are free on the internet, men go to Hooters for unqualified, positive female attention.

Hooters girls flirt for tips and the customers get what they pay for.

I would guess that in many cases a Mormon husband’s willingness to go to Hooters probably directly related to the harpy-ness of that man’s wife.

@68 MAC – or the jerkiness of the husbands, no matter the outward appearance they show at church.

Iguacufalls,

I don’t disagree. I am just saying, right or wrong, that it is a lot easier to be a jerk to your wife if she is being a jerk to you.

Arlene,

I didn’t say it was fine to hang out at Hooters, I said it was in bad taste, but along the range of naughty things one might do, this is pretty benign.

I think it’s OK to hang out at Hooters and my wife said she doesn’t mind because the waitresses at Hooters probably aren’t into guys with long hair and beards that look like Jesus (or maybe Charles Manson)

“We passed a Hooters on our way to Dirty Dick’s.”

Don’t you always?