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John Random, If I knew who you were, and if I was the type to offer a shoulder, I would offer you a shoulder to cry on after being smacked down so badly. And by a Christian, no less. I thought your reply was pretty funny, even if you didn’t mean for it to be, and I thought Redacted’s reply was even funnier. |
Two funny. |
I’d forward her email to the professor and tell him/her that the student fails at email writing. |
Ouch! All of those exclamations marks hurt my eyes. |
E-mail and text messaging has destroyed the next generation’s ability to write and punctuate. |
So wait. If they student knew arJ was arrogant, they wouldn’t have made the mistake in sending the email? And you have to have a PhD to know how to properly critique an email? You really need to post this unredacted, so that their email miscues can be googled… |
I agree that you should out this idiot. I have had about the same experience critiquing people’s grammar. For some reason, they are never grateful. |
If theres won thing this has taught me, it is the peoples are jerks! I’ll never email against! |
This post and thread are making my year. Hilarious! |
I have a pretty common name, and got the original gmail address for my name, so I get 2-3 messages a day for other people with my name. I always make it a point to respond too. As a result of my follow-up emails, I’ve been offered a job by a marketing firm in Seattle, invited to several bachelor parties, and invited for christmas to a ranch in Texas. I’ve also struck up some friendships with other people with my same name. Sometimes now, based on the context, I can figure out which one they are for and forward them directly. Fun. |
Oh! My! Gosh! What! Will! Become! Of! Us! ps. Christians rock, don’t ya know |
woodboy, That’s nothing. I regularly receive contracts, financial information, and other sensitive documents. I’ve been invited to wild drug fueled camping trips, signed up for Facebook, and signed up for dating sites as a 70 year old. I also regularly get sent cameraphone pictures from a group of gay men in France. |
This cracked me up, John. |
My last name doesn’t come up all that frequently, but we used to get long-distance phone calls for a nearby gypsum sheet rock plant. |
Love it! Love it! Love it! I’m teaching a Technical Communication course this Fall and will absolutely have to share this with my students. For all this fool knows, you were waiting for someone to accept a writing critique with poise and humility so you could give that person a million dollars! It’s amazing to me how impulsive and reactive our society is becoming. And the perceived anonymity of the internet creates some amazing rudeness I doubt we would have seen without. I have a very basic phone number and get mis-dialed calls on a regular basis. Occasionally, Verizon actually messes up and directs calls with a similar prefix to my cellphone (my number starts with 223 and the other line starts with 224). I typically let these callers know they’ve reached me by mistake, ask them to wait about 5 minutes and try dialing again. Most call back immediately and then get my voicemail. Occasionally I end up with friendly chats from these calls, but I also occasionally receive angry responses as if it’s MY fault they either dialed wrong or Verizon directed them to me! Seriously. This “good Christian” should have apologized for bothering you, ignored the advice if unwanted and MOVED ON! At the very least, my mother always said, “If you can’t say something nice…” |
If you’re a jerk, it’s probably more of this kind: I think it would be hilarious to do to someone you know. Someone you don’t know via email, devoid of context it’s a pretty crummy thing to do in retrospect. Of course, it’s totally on them for taking offense and getting all worked up. But I guess this is yet another reason why we need to be a little more carful with email. On the flip side, that would seem to be an argument against all sarcasm with people who don’t know you’re a sarcastic kind of guy as you can just as easily accidentally offend someone via face-to-face sarcasm. |
You know, on the other hand, maybe he’s terribly young and sensitive about his lack of expertise in writing and the criticism stung. It’s so weird to me that 21 year olds seem like babies nowadays (to me—when I was 17, they were older men. |
I have had several mistaken e-mails at work that have offered some pretty cool things. I was very disappointed when the Lakers tickets turned out to be for someone else. I answered one invitation to a dinner event with a “I think this is for another person” and received a reply, “My mistake, but you are still welcome to come”. If only it fit my schedule. |
I suspect comment #12 is a joke, but oh how I hope it isn’t. So awesome if true. |
Well, besides the fact that “Never begin a sentence with a conjunction” is just plain wrong (speaking as a writer with four books and 150 articles under his belt, as well as several shelves of books on writing and composition; and if you don’t believe me, go ask the professional linguists over at Language Log), I think you did just fine. I went through something very similar about a year ago with a 3rd-year law student who actually threatened legal action against me. To the student’s credit, s/he subsequently apologized, and we still swap e-mails. ..bruce.. |
Uh, make that “six months ago”. Also, because my sterling writing habits made a hash of my parenthetical comment, note that I don’t claim to have written “several shelves of books on writing and composition” but that I am someone with (i.e., who owns) “several shelves of books on writing and composition”. It is a well-established phenomenon over at Language Log that when someone leaps in to authoritative correct someone else [split infinitives are just fine, too], they usually end up committing some error themselves. :-) ..bruce.. |
Uh, “authoritatively correct”. Sheesh. ..bruce.. |
This is a scream ARJ! You are the best! |
You’re response is awesome, arj. Just plain awesome. |
Bruce, That warms the cockles of my heart as I have long felt that many excellent sentences begin with the word but. But I think in this case it is good advice. Look at the sentence beginning with and in the initial email and tell me that it is anything other than horrible. Also, it appears that the rule is a bit more controversial than is let on in the initial article if you begin to read the links. |
I should add that my intent was to fulfill the request for feedback and be a bit silly. Precision wasn’t the goal or it would have taken a very long time to go over all that was wrong with the first email, to say nothing of the second. |
I seriously doubt the author is a native English speaker, and that is perhaps one of the reasons he or she is so sensitive on the subject. |
John: well, yeah, it’s poorly written, and I agree with you that he would have been far better off either using “…enjoyed our class, and I will…” or “…enjoyed our class. I will…”. As for the rule, while it’s true that the post gives a counter argument, the excerpt from Arnold Zwicky cites a broad spectrum of authorities that all say that ‘NIC’ is not a valid rule. Mark: sadly, this person probably is a native English speaker, just a poor one. I don’t see any of the usual markers of someone who is used to other idioms, sentence structures, conjugations, etc. ..bruce.. |
Bruce, I’m fine with classifying NIC as a guideline rather than a rule. I’d hate to see it thrown out completely because 90% of the time it is very poor usage, and violations of the guideline are a strong hint that some rewriting needs to be done. Were I not blocked I would write back and apologize for overstating the rule, though this person would be better off believing that it is a rule. |
arJ, I have received emails fairly regularly for about 4 years from a woman who apparently has an ex-husband with my name, or at least something close to my email address (which reflects my name). The emails are always written with a bitter voice, and typically involve their (apparent) joint custody of a poorly behaved son. Most of them are sharp jabs at this ex-husband for not picking the boy up on time from school, for being the reason his grades are poor in school, etc… I’ve corrected her many times on the email address, but never played along, though the temptation has been great. |
arj: give us all his/her email address, and let _us_ continue the conversation. Oh, and let’s all use throw-away Hotmail/Yahoo accounts to do it. Wrong numbers. Oh boy, there’s a good opportunity to play along for laughs. “Betty? No, she can’t come to the phone right now. She’s ‘tied up’. heh heh. I’ll let her know you called when she’s ‘free’. heh heh.” bfwebster: I love playing split infinitives with hymn titles. Such as singing hymns in the shower. Have you ever sang I need thee every hour in the shower? Or how about singing Behold a royal army in the shower. And my favorite, to sing families can be together forever in the shower. Of course, it sounds better than it reads. I’m going to have to work that into a talk some day. |
There is no need for you to respond back. You have been blocked! I always find it interesting when people finish up a rant with a “I’m running away” kind of statement. Ah well, tells you just how blessed they wanted you to be. |
I find that among the young today many take criticism, correction or disagreement to be an insult or an expression of hatred. Correct, criticize or disagree with someone, and they ask “Why do you hate me? What did I ever do to you?” A related matter is that disagreement, or stating your opinion that someone “shouldn’t” say something, is equivalent to denying them (or attempting to deny them) their freedom of speech. One of my most memorable exchanges with a college student was when I told someone “I’m glad to hear that cooler heads prevailed.” He responded with, in all seriousness, something along the lines of: “I may drink a few beers, and an occasional wine, but I’m not a cooler-head.” |
I appreciate everyone that wants to continue to hound this poor soul by my revealing the email address involved. But I’m not going to do that as there is already enough suffering in this blessed world! |
I believe your response was fine, and if the recipient did not appreciate your comments, they could have simply deleted the message and resent the original. |
There is no need for you to respond back. You have been blocked! Honestly, I’ve gotten that email from Ardis several times. Not kidding. |
And I didn’t say anything bad, either!! Nor did I initiate the exchange! It was more like, “I hate you, this is why, and don’t bother responding.” |
How rude. |
I’ve only received one email sent to the wrong address, but I’ve sent several. When I was in college, the phone number to our apartment was one digit off from a local pizza place. We always took their order. |
I should post an update to this story. About 18 months later I received another poorly worded email from this same address, asking me for a letter of recommendation. I replied politely, mentioned our previous interaction, and pointed out that the correspondence had once again been sent to the wrong address. I received a polite and grateful response along with a bit of an apology for some aspects of the exchange documented here. |
you’re a good man, arJ. |