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Great idea. I wish we did this kind of thing. As a long-time SS teacher though, I can tell you that getting permission for a SS class to go to another religion’s meeting (instead of ours) would be like asking to have a rock band play the opening hymn in sacrament meeting. I don’t know if it would be possible to do it as an activity outside of Church huors, but I suspect you could get away with it that way. The problem with that, though, is that most of the kids won’t show up. It might work for a YM or YW activity. I have tremendous respect for parents who do this with their kids. |
I love that stuff, too. |
Are you presenting this as a negative aspect of the Sunday School program, that the focus is more on doctrinal learning than ecumenicalism? As far as I know, the Church doesn’t discourage anyone from visiting or learning about other beliefs, but I wouldn’t disparage the Sunday School program because it doesn’t include that as a goal. |
Hey MCQ, Just sayin’. |
Yes, he is. I think somebody blogged about it. I don’t get the big words, Mac, but I disagree with you. Sarah’s choir group went to Washington, DC when she was in eighth grade and some of the girls left the National Cathedral in tears, feeling I don’t know what, some kind of bad spirit. They worked themselves up to a shameful state. Shame on them and their parents and their teachers. Sarah said it was beautiful and loved every minute of it. We’re not teaching our children to follow Jesus when we teach them to abhor other faiths. I applaud that congregation who visited ESO’s ward. It’s so silly to assume we are the only church that has the spirit in our meetings. |
That is great that you had visitors from another Church. I would agree that it would be highly unlikely that you would get permission for one of our youth classes to attend another church’s sunday activities… (sigh..) I like the idea of bringing your family to visit other church’s though… |
anngb, I don’t think there is anything wrong with visiting other’s houses of worship, but it shouldn’t be the objective of Sunday School. Or at least I don’t think we should suggest that the program is somehow lacking or inferior if it isn’t done. It would be no different than complaining that they don’t include sex ed or cultural anthropology in the curriculum, it’s just not the purpose of Sunday School. Our kids are still relatively young but they have seen quite a bit; Posadas, Pueblo Feast Days, the European Cathedrals, Yei Bi Chei dances, Christmas Eve Midnight Mass, countless mission churches, the Hari Krishna temple in Spanish Fork and a handful of Pentecostal funerals. We even visited a Cathedral in West Africa where all the Gargoyles are jungle creatures, hippos, crocodiles, etc. The only disappointment (for lack of a better word) were the some of the Swiss Cathedrals seemed to us to be devoid of feeling or empty. Fraumünster, in Zurich, with its Chagall windows, feels like a correctional facility to me. Ironic because they had a lot more architecturally interesting than almost any LDS chapel. So either Swiss Calvinism is too alien for me to understand or some people exerted a lot of effort to build a cathedral and still failed to to improve on the McStakeCenter design. I would add that of all the places of worship we have visited, not one has ever been maintained to the level that your average wardhouse is maintained. Consider the size of the Church’s FM group and the magnitude of the real estate portfilio and that fact alone is enough to prove that the Church is true. BTW, Alice Cooper was raised Bickertonite not mainstream LDS. |
I agree with MAC. That Sunday School should be responsible for teaching us and our children lessons related to diversity and open-mindedness is dismissive of responsibilities inherent to parenting. It helps my attitude of general interest in other churches that my dad went to Germany on his mission and always speaks admiringly of Cathedrals and the religions he encountered there. I spent my mission in Russia and loved the mosques and temples there. Generally, I think that there is always an uplifting element to anyone’s (benevolent) religion, symbols and/or architecture of their religion, and their practice of religion. |
I guess in answer to the question “why don’t we do this?”- Why don’t you? |
MAC–I want to see that west African Cathedral! nasamomdele–I do. I am sure I am not alone in having heard Mormons, from time to time, reference beliefs or practices of other religions in talks and lessons. Sometimes the references are complimentary, sometimes not. Sometimes the references are not accurate. That REALLY bugs me. I think that part of preparing youth to be adult LDS–ESPECIALLY those who will serve missions!–is a religious literacy. That’s all. |
ESO, We just took some snapshots, I tried but couldn’t find better photos online… http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fcMyAo7qxfo/SR7ncW_b9kI/AAAAAAAAGe8/rBoTwAgRZrA/s1600-h/gargoyles.jpg |
ESO, I think that is valid. We need to be more literate about other traditions. I proudly brought up John Calvin and Jewish Mikvahs last week when teaching GD. |
I don’t think our SS is lacking because we don’t do this, I just wish we would. I would have liked to have a field trip like this as a SS teacher, and I wish I would have pushed for it more. Next time I teach SS, I will. Actually, I’m teaching the “Preach My Gospel” class this Sunday. Maybe I’ll suggest a field trip as part of that class. |
When I lived in the Atlanta area, our stake president was good friends with a Southern Baptist minister. I was a member of the ward choir at the time, and I might add out-to-here-pregnant with my first child. The SP’s friend contacted him to tell him that his church was having a revival on a particular Sunday, and he would love it if some reps from our church would attend. The SP asked our ward choir to attend and to be prepared to perform at least 2 numbers if asked. We were a very humble ward choir (no ex mo-tabs, for sure), so we practiced a couple of hymns and off we went to the revival. Wow! I had never attended another church in my life, and I thoroughly enjoyed the meeting. Much different from ours, but I felt the Spirit nonetheless. And what sacrifice these people made to attend church in GA in the middle of July with no air-conditioning! They passed out cardboard fans at the door when we came in, but made sure to let us know we would need to return them after the meeting. Being 9.5 mos. pregnant (it felt like), I thought I might die from the heat. You would be amazed at how many of those Baptist women brought me water and helped me fan myself! If they don’t have a formal women’s organization like the RS, they have one just as good on an informal basis. I have seen charity in action before and since, but never as immediate and enthusiastic as I did that day. |
When I was serving on my mission, I got asked some rather pointed religious literacy questions by a minister of another faith. Really rattled me. I talked with my MP about it. He got me a copy of the textbook being used to teach comparative religion at BYU at the time. He told me I could use that for study and that every week for the rest of my mission, I ought to visit another church (in my current area and in ‘uniform’). One of the best things about my mission. I visited many different denominations both Christian and not. Had fantastic experiences (not always feeling the spirit, but often did) at each and every one with one significant exception. Ironically enough (considering the previous post), it was the Southern Baptist preacher who took the time out of his sermon to point my companion and I out (literally, pointed figure and turned heads) and ‘expose’ us as servants of Satan who none of them should ever even consider talking too. |
I have to say that while I’ve felt the spirit in other church’s meetings, there is something lacking. For me, anyway. I think that’s kind of funny attending a revival. Those can get pretty crazy. And while some of the meetings may be lacking, I’ve mostly had very good experiences with active members of other faiths. Overall, they care about serving Christ and we have that in common. I did a comparative religion study for a class and came away with renewed appreciation for the beliefs of others. Mostly because we have so much in common. |
I like visiting the Korean baptist church down the road from our chapel. They have a meal after their service. I can eat there (make a donation to cover the food) and get to our Sacrament meeting by 1:00pm. When we have morning Sunday meetings, their lunch starts shortly after our meetings are over. I loves me some Korean food. Win-win. |
By the way, when your ward is on the afternoon schedule, 1 to 3 pm, you can make most other church’s services. Catholics start early, and most Protestants start their main meeting at 11 am, with Sunday School at like 9:45 or 10 am. I think it would be cool to do on a family, youth, or ward basis. “Hi! We’re the church down the street. We thought we’d be neighborly and visit your church today. Do you mind if we come over?” |
Some people in my ward acted so strangely when I told them Bill and I went to the Presbyterian fund-raising dinner. Heck, it was one of the best church dinners we had. Lovely time. Going to their activities like this are a good way of introducing your child to people of other faiths–to see that they’re good people. |
Bookslinger–that’s a good idea, but I don’t think my kids can handle more than 3 hours of church on one day. annegb–those dinners are good! I’m always on the lookout for the signs. |