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Really? why should we be doing anything for Japan or Libya? We have too many problems at home in our own country to be worrying about everyone else. I cringe at the fact that he is doing as much as he is doing when it comes to Libya. How about we save a whole bunch of money, and a whole bunch of American lives and keep out of Libya. It is none of our business what is happening there. Period. |
He seems to agree with you. He’s in Brazil. |
Dunno, but Barack got 29 of 32 right in his NCAA bracket. And when we talk about weak – aren’t we forgetting Jimmy Carter? |
I’m not. I’m longing for Nixon. I thought he was a pretty good president, except for that lapse. Same with Clinton, I guess. Hillary, boy, she looks like presidential material right about now. I’m crazy enough to go for Palin at this point. There was a guy, a president, I can’t remember which one, Harding? who was sort of groomed to run for president according to his looks and he totally sucked. I was thinking last night about all the black men who would make primo presidents. Hell, why don’t they run, how did we get Barak Obama? |
Well, if a British tabloid declares Obama “the weakest president in history,” I guess it’s a done deal. |
I don’t think it’s weakness. He just seems not to know how to do this gig. He doesn’t have the communication skills to get out front of issues like Japan and Lybia. He needs to make decisions and go before the American people and the world and articulate American policy and explain what our actions will be in these crises. He’s not doing that. not even close. And there’s some symbolic things he’s just not getting right. Just like Clinton with his haircut. When something’s burning, you don’t stop to get a haircut or fill out your NCAA bracket. You go put out the fire. |
President Obama is a US president, not President of the World. Frankly, anyone who thinks that what a president is doing is what they tell you about on the news just doesn’t have a grip on history. Presidents “do” all sorts of things without announcing it in a press conference. Japan has gotten every assistance it has asked for and the path that has been pursued with Libya has been 100% more reasonable than what Bush did with Iraq and we could certainly argue over other interventions, like Somalia and Bosnia. If you like the way Hilary is handling things, you should thank Obama: he is giving her the orders. |
Randy, what year are you living in, 1812? America no longer has the luxury of being an isolationist country. We are leaders in the global community and we have to talk to the world about its problems and help solve them. We have nuclear powered aircraft carriers in Japanese waters. Are you suggesting that we just sit off shore and watch while people die? We have interests in Lybia and other North African countries. We have American citizens all over the world. Are you suggesting we just sit on our hands and do nothing? That is not a possibility. What we can do and are not doing is come up with strategies for solving these problems and go on the airwaves and articulate them. In Japan, people need assurances that America is there for them and will participate in helping solve the food and water crisis as well as the nuclear crisis. We are doing that, but where is our president? Why is he not telling the Japanese people, as well as the American people what we are doing and what we can and will do in the future? In Lybia, we need the president to not just react, but sell the American people on a military involvement that makes sense, has a strategic goal and a time limit. People need to know what we are doing and why and they need to know that we are going to get it done and get out. No one will tolerate a long-term escalating war in N. Africa, especially while we are still involved in Iraq and Afganistan. The president needs to be talking about these things. He’s not. |
“Presidents “do” all sorts of things without announcing it in a press conference.” No they don’t ESO. Not if they have any brains. Clearly, he’s a smart guy, but he’s losiong a million opportunities to get the American people and the world on his side by articulating his agenda. Even if it’s just a symbolic gesture, you have to tell people what your strategy is if you want them to buy in. Why is he not doing that? Why is he going into Lybia without an announced goal and with no exit strategy. Has he learned nothing from Bush’s mistakes? You can’t just say “he’s doing stuff” and give him a pass. Not if you want any credibility. His own party is not giving him that much credit. |
He appears to be so disengaged as to be somnolent. It’s kind of strange, although probably calculated to look as milquetoasty as possible going into 2012. When you’ve got a guy making major foreign policy decisions based on a campaign that has yet to really get started, you have problems. I’m beyond amazed by how out-to-lunch Obama looks on practically every issue: oil prices, Libya, Japan, you-name-it. I guess it’s understandable, though. His approval ratings seem to increase when he isn’t doing anything at all. |
Wait for the results and actions in Libya not words from Obama. 110 US missles has just been lauched to take out the Libya air defense system . 100 ships from the coalition heading to the region to start a blockade. Oil sales assets are being frozen. This should be a effort of international community and it takes time to put such a coalition together. Obama is hardly the weakest President when he has sent drones to Pakistan to kill Al Queda and Talliban and increased US forces in the region. |
#5. Yes! This is what I’m saying! |
I get the impression that Obama wants to be president of the things that are interesting to him personally and can’t be bothered with the rest. And for all the hype to the supposed contrary, his world view seems exceptionally narrow. He just doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and doesn’t appear to be interested in finding out. I have to admit that I experience a little bit of schadenfreude when I hear about him perpetuating the Bush policies that he campaigned against. It appears that Obama’s single positive legacy would be health care. But I don’t think that will survive past his time in office because the law itself was so poorly written it will not survive the judicial restrictions and legislative attacks/defundings. Never mind that any serious person knows that we don’t have the money to pay for the entitlement programs we have now and before we cut those it is going to be much easier to kill an entitlement program that doesn’t yet have a built in constituency. Once Obama is out of office, health care is dead. I can’t tell you if the death will be slow and painful or quick, but it cannot survive. Measuring Obama’s presidency in the absence of that single major accomplishment and his historical footnote is reduced to being the first black president. Hillary doesn’t look good because she implemented any particular WH policy, but because she appears to be one of the few capable adults in the administration. |
Carter at least brokered a peace deal between Egypt and Israel. What’s Obama accomplished? |
Leadership is jumping into a situation as fast as possible, no matter the outcome. Luckily I know better than to make my opinion about politics from what the British press or Annegb says. |
He finally held a press conference about Libya. Not a bad job. |
It is not weakness, it is lateness. He eventually addresses these big issues, but he waits to long and it makes him look indecisive. |
It is interesting as he seems not to know what to do in most situations… However, I do take umbrage with your assertion Clinton was a rapist. He certainly did some inappropriate things, but to call him a rapist is offensive. |
Ann Althouse makes an interesting Obama/Clinton observation: |
#6 Mcq: I can get that. I’m like that, wandering about at times. I totally agree with you on communication skills. He comes across uncaring. #7 Eso: I remember saying the same thing about Bush, somewhere. Maybe I don’t want him to DO something (although in Japan’s case, I do think we need to totally pitch in)–maybe I want to hear from him. To be reassured. Truth be told, I’m incredibly nervous about our attacking Libya. Because I don’t see how we can avoid troops on the ground. #8 & 9 Mcq: Yes this is what I’m trying to say. |
#10 Jana: Yup, he seems disengaged. #11 Bart: Are you sure he sent them in? I’m thinking that somebody probably begged, shouted and screamed. Like Hillary probably did in this case. So, Eso, I don’t think he told her what to do, I think he finally took a deep sigh and said, “Okay, if you insist.” #13 Mac: You know, she has always come across capable. I recall being very impressed by her when Clinton first ran for president. I’m disappointed in her for supporting him in his rapes of women, but like I said, she looks better and better all the time. #14 Clark: I always thought Carter was a good and caring person. Just not a good president. He did good there, though. #15 jjohnsen: Yup. #16: Missed that, dang. I was at work. I tried to bring it up somewhere, but couldn’t find it. Maybe today. I want to hear what he has to say. #17 Ed: But lateness IS indecisive, isn’t it? #18 Devyn: Yeah, it is offensive. I believe Juanita Broaderick when she says she was raped. He’s a rapist. #19 Mac: Rescued you from moderation. Your quote about Gates Donilon and Brennan makes me wonder if they’re the ones contributing to the indecisiveness. Maybe he needs new guidance. |
annegb, Juanita Broaddrick herself filed a sworn affidavit denying that Clinton assaulted her. That is the only sworn testimony she has ever given on the incident. Whatever happened between them occurred in 1978, and has never been prosecuted, nor has she ever filed a civil suit alleging rape or assault. Also, Ms. Broaddrick admits that she attended a fundraiser for Clinton only three weeks after he supposedly raped her. Is that the act of a rape victim? More likely, there was consensual sex between the two which she later decided to characterize as rape for her own reasons. It’s well established that Clinton was a womanizer. Rape is a whole different category. You need clear and convincing evidence to use that word. You don’t have it. Whatever you now believe about this very old incident, calling Clinton a rapist is not reasonable at this point. |
Apparently my comment is in moderation. Not sure why. |
It went to moderation again. Please rescue one of those and delete the other. Thanks. |
Okay, I rescued it. Have you seen her interviews? She claims she was strong-armed by Hillary to deny the rape and she was intimated and in shock. I believe her. |
Will Rogers stated, “I am not a member of any organized political party-I’m a Democrat.” That adage is just as true today as it was over 80 years ago. This reality has limited Obama’s ability to get things done. It has been the Blue Dog Democarts that were his biggest problem during his first two years in office. The measure of a Democratic President is often how well he deals with the recalcitrants of hiw own party. The Republicans, on the other hand, are united on virtually everything and will support a GOP President almost without question. If George Bush had declared the Earth flat, a bill requiring that all globes be destroyed and be replaced by flat wall maps would have been introduced and passed near unamiously by Republican Senators and Representatives. If one questions the veracity of that, just look what happened when he proposed an expansion of Medicare to include drugs. How many Republican legislators really wanted to spend Federal dollars on expanding a “socialistic” Medicare? How many actually did? During the Obama years, the Republicans have turned into the party of no. Virtually opposing everything the Democrats proposed near unanimously. In fact, they opposed some of their original proposals that Democrats adopted (e.g. paying doctors for end of life counseling). If we look at what the administration actually accomplished since it took office, it is quite amazing given the political reality: health care, reducing the cost of student loans, consumer protection agency, ending DADT, tax cuts for middle class, cash for clunkers, ending torture by the U.S., Stimulus spending, financial reform, better body armor for the military, increased pay for the military, appointing the first Latina to the Supreme Court, etc. You may disagree with the merits of some of these, but they are still accomplishments. His biggest failure is in public relations. Neither he nor his administration know how to trumpet what they have done. It is, to paraphrse Spiro Agnew, the nattering nabobs of negativism that dominate the message. For example, you would expect Fox News to over whelmingly choose right wing “wing nuts” and Republicans to make up most of their guests and interviewees, but the networks are not far behind. This failure may well cost him re-election in 2112. Now that the Republicans control the House, the question is can the GOP and the Blue Dogs turn back everything Obama accomplished? That may determine his legacy. |
anngb, Conflicting advice from subordinates isn’t an excuse for indecisiveness. It means he has both sides of the argument and can’t make up his mind. |
Thanks Stan, good comments. I must say I wouldn’t make a terrible president, so maybe I should keep my mouth shut. Here’s something I found on Huffington, uh, Press: Gary Shapiro.President & CEO of the Consumer Electronics Association |
Annegb”#15 jjohnsen: Yup.” Amazing. |
That has tended to be true under a Republican President. I don’t think it’s true anymore and I’m not at all sure it’d be true again even with a Republican President given what happened under Bush. The divisions within the Republican party are pretty huge right now. |
annegb(#25): Absolutely not true. Here are her words to NBC, in her only lengthy interview ever published by a credible news source (NBC Dateline): But Broaddrick remained silent when she learned soon after that Clinton was making a bid for the Oval Office. Myers: “Here the man is running for president, doesn’t the country have a right to know this?” Broaddrick: “Yes, and that’s what I got to thinking about — David and I talked about it. We talked about it, and I cried about it. It brought up a lot of hurt, and a lot of things that I’d buried years ago. And then we just decided it wouldn’t be in our best interest to do it. So we decided not to.” In fact, Clinton’s political opponents say she rebuffed their efforts to get her to come forward before the 1992 election. After she turned them down, one of the men suggested she had been paid off. Myers: “Did you receive any payoff to stay silent?” Broaddrick: “Oh goodness, no. I mean how could anyone be bribed or paid-off for, for something that, to not say anything about something that horrible?” Myers: “Did Bill Clinton or anyone near him ever threaten you, try to intimidate you, do anything to keep you silent?” Broaddrick: “No.” Myers: “This has been strictly your choice.” Broaddrick: “Yes.” Broaddrick says she was determined to keep the incident quiet. Remember that this supposedly happened when Clinton was running for governor for the first time. In the middle of a campaign for governor. He was the sitting AG. And he rapes a woman in her hotel room? And she doesn’t come forward during that campaign, or during the second time he ran for governor, or during his presidential campaign. But over 20 years later, after she already denied the rape under oath, she does an interview and says it happened. And you believe that? Sorry, I don’t. Even if she is telling the truth, she gave up any right to be taken seriously when she swore under oath that it never happened. |
BTW, I’m no Clinton fan, but let’s be fair. You can’t call someone a rapist over such flimsy evidence as this. Truly, it’s not fair. Politicians (and other public figures) get accused of all kinds of things. There has to be some reasonable way to separate fact from fiction. Calling Clinton a rapist is akin to calling Bush a war criminal or Obama a muslim. You just can’t make those claims and retain any credibility. Although we all know people who say all those things, reasonable and fair-minded people of intelligence should not do so. It’s irresponsible. |
Jjohnsen, what did you want, a pint of blood? Mcq, looking at it from the legal standpoint, you’re right. I still believe her story of what happened–Hillary knew and put pressure on her and too, she was admittedly won over by celebrity and power. I don’t think it’s comparable to Bush or Obama’s supposed Muslim beliefs (I don’t think he believes in deity at all, But Bill Clinton lost me the day I watched her describe what happened in that hotel room. No way was that consensual. But then, probably a lot of powerful men–world leaders or no–get away with rape. |
Where are you getting that Hillary knew and put pressure on her? That’s not true. she has never said that. She specifically denied that happened. I quoted her verbatim. she was asked that question and said no, no one put pressure on her. She has never even alleged that Hillary was ever involved. You’re making that up. Come on, you’re better than that. |
My best hope is that President Obama is employing some of that “genial dunce” routine that Reagan and Eisenhower used so well to deflect attention while they went on with the serious business of governing and winning the Cold War, making reporters and politicians think all they wanted to do was remimisce about Hollywood or play golf until those people got bored and went away. |
Juanita Broaderick did an interview on 60 Minutes–or one of those shows, can’t remember–describing in detail how he raped her. He clamped down on her lip to keep her from getting away. Her mouth was visibly injured. She said that later Hillary came to her and made a strong argument about protecting Clinton, being very careful in her choice of words. I’ll try to find some reference to that interview but she was totally believable. Then again, so does Clinton. |
Looks like Dateline. I wish you could watch it. This woman wasn’t lying. I couldn’t see the reference to her conversation with Hillary, or the referene to something with security, but I’ll find it. I know I saw it. And I believed her. I think the pertinent concern is how many women didn’t report it. Power is a big club to hold, Mcq. |
Plus, Mcq, you left out some pretty important parts of that interview. |
It was in an interview with Sean Hannity that she referred to her conversation with Hillary, June 10, 2003. It’s also significant that she’s not suing or writing a book, or planning a reality series. She gets nothing out of sharing her story. |
Let’s be optimistic and say Qaddhafi is driven from power (which I consider to be a very likely outcome). America will get what it has wanted for years and it will have done so with the approval of the Arab League, no resistance from Russia or China, and under French leadership. No American victims of roadside bombs, no troops being photographed posing with civilian corpses, no Abu Graib prison, no new Guantanamo inmates. I think I could get used to that. |
Oh, Last Lemming, I hope. And pray. |
annegb, I quoted from the Dateline interview. She said no one ever tried to pressure her. No one. If she later changed her story (again) and said Hillary pressured her, how is it possible to believe her? You can’t say someone is believable when they change their story that many times. Seriously, this woman has no credibility. None. |
In the interview with Sean Hannity, this is what Juanita Broaddrick claimed concerning Hillary (remember that this is the first and only time she told this story): She came over to me, took ahold of my hand and said, “I’ve heard so much about you and I’ve been dying to meet you,” or “been wanting to meet you.” I can’t–I’m just paraphrasing–and she said, “I just want you to know how much that Bill and I appreciate what you do for him.” And I said, “Thank you” and started to turn and walk away. This woman, this little, soft-spoken–pardon me for the phrase–dowdy woman that would seem unassertive, took ahold of my hand and squeezed it and said, “Do you understand? Everything that you do.” That’s it. Supposedly that happened some weeks after the alleged rape, and supposedly Ms. Broaddrick interpreted that to mean that Hillary was thanking her for keeping quiet about the rape. But how many people who have actually met Hillary have described her as “soft-spoken” or “unassertive”? She is neither. And how exactly is this exchange supposedly intimidation? It’s not. |
It’s possible for me to believe her. |
Anything’s possible, annegb. I’m just pointing out that calling Clinton a rapist based on this evidence is not reasonable or fair, nor is saying that Hillary intimidated her. You can believe whatever you want, but when you go from belief to accusations, you cross a line where you better have some good evidence to back up what you are saying. In this case, the evidence is far from good. |
I think we’re soulmates, Mcq, meant be together. I have never met a person who could outlast me in an argument. You did it last time we argued, too. Don’t fight fate. I’ll tell Bill tonight. |
Ha! Good deal soul-sister. |
MCQ – thanks for making this argument. I keep with my initial view that it is offensive to refer to Clinton as a rapist – that is a very serious allegation and as, MCQ notes, there is no data to support it. Face it Annegb – you lost this argument… |
Back to the post. I am a conservative so that is my perspective. I have always felt that Hillary would have made a much better president that Obama. For me anyways it is that Hillary is at her core a middle class American. She grew up in Park Ridge Illinois and lived for decades in Arkansas and served on Walmarts board. Putting her in touch with and a part of the broad middle class of America. Obama simply lacks this middle class American background and as a result seems to many of us to be out of step with middle class American values. His path as a red diaper baby, partially foriegn upbringing, mentoring by a full out communist as a teenager, and his Ivy League to trinity church/Hyde Park Chicago as an adult means that he has had little child to adult contact with the average middle class American experience. Hillary is part of that American middle class experience and thus in my view would be a better president. I also believe that her experiences in Arkansas the whitehouse and as a Senator gave her far far more exp in leadership. In short I think she was qualified while O. was simply not. And I would not have voted for her. |
Also I do not think its fair to call Bill C a rapist. JB’s allegations are very much unproven. Its a very serious charge to call somebody a rapist and you need to have strong evidence to back it up before you start throwing this loaded term out. |
Obama’s differences are actually one of the reasons I voted for him. He represents the diversity of what America has become–and I’m not talking about skin color (or at least, skin color is just a tiny part of what I’m talking about). The fact that he had a non-Christian (albeit absent) father, and that he spent several years as a child living abroad, sets him apart from other candidates (and a comparison with Palin–who, despite having large sums of money, got her first passport just months before she ran for VP–is especially jarring). Let’s face it–most of us don’t grow up in John Mellencamp’s “Little Pink Houses.” And have you seen the apartment he and his wife lived in when they first got married? Looks pretty middle class to me. Lower middle class, even. |
Okay, from now on I’ll refer to him as “Bill Clinton, who was accused in retrospect, without physical evidence, of rape by Juanita Broaderick, whose latter story I found totally believable and thus, think he’s a rapist.” Or, BCWAIRWPEORBJBWLSIFTBATTUAR |
Tell the truth, Tim, my feelings have wavered a bit in the last few days. I feel kind of sorry for him. It does seem like he can’t win. He got all pressured (including from me, although that couldn’t have had any impact) to do something about Libya–to act. Now he’s being criticized forf acting. Like I said, I would HATE to be president. It just doesn’t look like it’s any fun at all. |
“BCWAIRWPEORBJBWLSIFTBATTUAR” |