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I found Robbins’ talk a highlight of the last General Conference and have been recommending it to everyone. Here’s a link: What Manner of Men and Women Ought Ye to Be? |
Amen |
awesome as a blossom! |
Great post, annegb. Very insightful. |
Oh, now you’re just sweet talking. |
Some of the most spiritual people that I met on my mission worked the 12 Step Program and were clean for a few years. Thank you for the insights on how being is even more important than doing. I do believe the 12 Step Program is inspired. |
I belong to three different 12-step groups. I am actively working the steps and I honestly believe that it is helping me more than attending Church. I think all Church members could benefit from attending a 12-step group on a regular basis. |
The Church has recently endorsed a 12 step program for dealing with addiction. See it here: http://www.providentliving.org/familyservices/AddicitonRecoveryManual_36764000.pdf |
Thanks, Mcq. The church program works for some people. It’s Christ-centered and goes along with scriptures. I’ve blogged about this before, but I felt uncomfortable in the meetings I attended. The church focus bothered me and because I’d attended “regular” AA and Alanon meetings, found much that I felt was awry. For one thing, the church meetings are led by couples, who are wonderful people, but haven’t experienced the problem or recovery from the problem. AA meetings have no designated leader, but the old-timers have a wealth of experience that they share with the members. There’s a more congruent tone focused on recovery as opposed to conversion. Sharing my problems in a meeting with leaders who hadn’t experienced the throes of addiction felt more like group therapy/quasi Mormon essentials Sunday School class. It’s ground-breaking and like I said, Christ-like in it’s focus, but nor for me. Another problem I have with those meetings is that they emcompass all addictions in one meeting (although I think they may be having sex addicts meet separately now). So the sharing of tactful necessity might not be as gut level as need be when one is dealing with addictions. Where if you have a roomful of women (sorry, it’s mostly women) of Alanon dealing with the ramifications of living and/or loving an addict, there is no need to censor to accomodate the feelings of said addict who–in a church meeting–might be sitting next to you. And vice versa in a AA meeting. An alcoholic in a straight AA meeting might be more frank and thus, make more progress, than if he’s sitting next to his sweet Mormon wife. I just think it’s counter-productive. But it is what it is and I know people who swear by those meetings. The church should be applauded and given an “A” for effort; however, I’m not sure churches and social programs go together very well. I think we’d be better served by allowing AA meetings in our buildings, like other churches do. Sans the coffee, of course. While our buildings are usually booked in the evenings, these meetings could be held early in the mornings on a weekday. It would work fine. The church would never give up control to that extent. But it should. Although, there are probably more sex addicts (of one kind or another) inour church than any. And spouses. They could have an early morning Alanon meeting that would probably take off like gangbusters. Wish they would. |
Annegb, I’ve attended a women’s LDS 12-step meeting (any and all addictions) for about three years now, and a lot of the issues you address have not been a problem for me. I live in Utah and the program is administered as a mission. The missionaries who lead the group are recovering addicts with great insights. Occasionally a missionary comes who is not a recovering addict, but every meeting in our mission has a facilitator who is a recovering/recovered addict. And their presence and insight and preparation makes all the difference in the world. Also, most meetings have a family support group that meets at the same time in a different room, that is comparable to Al-anon. My husband attended meetings in the same mission several years ago, before we were married, and from comparing our different experiences, it sounds like a lot of things have changed, mostly to address the issues you just addressed. There are continually more and more specialized meetings. A men’s sexual addiction group has been going for a long time, as well as a a new sexual addiction group for women. ! The last time I looked over the list of meetings, I saw an alcoholics meeting and a narcotics meeting available. One thing that I find handy is that although the meetings are specialized, people with different addictions are always welcome, if a certain meeting fits better into their schedule. I’ve found that the further along people are in their recovery, the more comfortable they are relating to addicts of all types. As far as your initial post: I couldn’t agree more. I’ve often wondered if there were some way to make church more like a 12-step meeting… I LOVE the focus on grace, a sharp contrast to the focus on works in Mormon culture, as you mentioned. |
Thanks for the update :). The facilitators in Cedar City, where I live–at least the ones I know (and I’ve known them all) are not former addicts. They’ve all expressed to me how much they loved the people in the groups and loved the call to serve them. Felt the spirit of Christ’s grace. Really cool. I still object to the church’s obvious attempt to control the meetings by using facilitators. I don’t know how I’d do it differently, though. So I should shut up. |