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I have no idea why question marks are all over this post. I swear I didn’t do this. |
I don’t see the problem with putting up a picture or two of Christ, as long as it’s used to show you are a Christian business in a sector dominated by Christian businesses. Just don’t mix work and church, ever. |
“It is not usual for me to be asked if I am married, if I have children and what church I go to.” Did you mean “unusual” here? In a very religious or conservative community, it can be tempting to use symbols to promote a business, but I think it’s a mistake. I notice relatively few religious symbols used to promote businesses in Salt Lake, and I think that’s a good thing. “Would Jesus care if He was used to promote the neighborhood lawn care service?” I think he does care. It shows poor taste and a lack of understanding about Christ himself to engage in actively promoting a business through religious symbols or literature. And it can also backfire and turn people off, as well as being seen as misrepresentative. I think the scriptures in the nightstand are a different thing, however. I don’t see that as actively promoting the business. I don’t know what the eqivalent of that would be for a non-hotel business, but tracts in the bathroom is probably not it. |
I recently saw an ad in the Mormon Corridor for a home-run daycare center that claimed it was run by “an LDS woman.” I won’t support businesses like that. I also won’t send my children to private schools that claim to be LDS-oriented. Prove how good you are by being good; if you need to bring the name of the church into the equation, I begin to think that you’re not good enough to get business any other way. Smaller stuff–like Bibles in bathrooms, don’t bother me as much. I wouldn’t do it myself (I want all customers, including those who aren’t Christian, to feel welcome), but I won’t hold a grudge against someone for having a Bible or Koran or whatever lying around. |
#3 Yep. I did mean unusual. I am going to get better at editing before posting. Maybe it depends on what part of the country you are in. I never noticed this growing up in the west. I think it happens more often in the Bible belt. |
I agree with you on this one, I really don’t like to see religious symbols of any kind used in business, unless that business is religious based, such as a Christian Bookstore, Kosher Deli, or something of that nature. However, it doesn’t bother me if a school or daycare provider lets it be known they are in line with particular beliefs, as this can assist students or parents who are seeking a particular environment. |
I pretty much agree with you. However, I have a seen a large ear clinic that had a display of the Bible and a quote that said, “He who has ears let him hear.” I liked that. |
Generally speaking my experience in business is that the more folks openly talk about how “Christian” they are the more likely they are to be shady. |
I don’t see the religious symbols in business here in southern Utah, although you will read in for rent ads “LDS standards” which means “no smokers, no partiers”–isn’t that illegal? I don’t mind the Bibles in motel rooms, either, because I think people at the edge might need them. |
#8 – Call me cynical, but your point has also been my experience. |
There is a billboard along I-15 in Utah County for something along the lines of LDS Realtors.net I relative traveling visiting from out of the country mentioned just the other day how revolting the sign was. Of course most billboards are revolting, but this one was both revolting and worthy of mention. |
bbell, I’ll go you one further. The worst business I’ve ever dealt with is the LDS Church. They stole our work without paying for it (while all along promising to do so) and used us in a manner that I think should disqualify them from holding temple recommends. Oh course it was the temple department we were working with… I am very happy to participate in the religion, and have no desire to ever do business with them again. |
From “Johns Hopkins’ Seal and Jesus’ Words”: |
ARJ, I have heard similar things over the years not just from you. |
“Generally speaking my experience in business is that the more folks openly talk about how “Christian” they are the more likely they are to be shady.” And, especially for people in the Mormon Corridor, folks that talk about how “LDS” they are. |
A few fun categories . . Preparedness Stores — Lots of GA quotes posted around or in the marketing materials. Focus is to get folks to buy storage items that are 1) expensive 2) rather inedible. MLM companies — In the Mormon Corridor, you’ll be pitched using claims that 1) It is a way to provide for your family, ie. spouse stay home, pay for missions, increase tithing and fast offerings 2) The magic juices and pills are part of the Word of Wisdom Pest control sales — Target former missionaries to do door-to-door sales. Training includes using the commitment pattern. |
I think the scriptures in the nightstand are a different thing, however. I don’t see that as actively promoting the business I have to agree. Scriptures in the nightstand, aside from the comedy aspect they provided in an episode of Cheers, provide comfort, are ubiquitous and are not in your face. There is a difference between “Jesus as marketing” and “Jesus as comfort.” They stole our work without paying for it — what did they steal? I’m curious. Wondering if there is a way to follow-up. |
#12, 17 – I was wondering about the Temple thing too, but was hesitating because I didn’t want to open a can of worms. My husband works in construction and has often talked about how neat it would be to work for the Church’s construction dept. Maybe we should be glad we never pursued that. |
If I need a doctor, I want the best. If I need a lawyer, I want the best. Same with most other professionals. If the best happens to be LDS, great. If not, I’m fine with that. I’ve seen too many people hurt because they, for example, chose a realtor solely because that realtor was LDS, or a financial advisor solely because that person was LDS. So on the basis of competence alone, making religious affiliation the most important criterion is foolish. Beyond that, using Jesus as a marketing tool is distasteful. What’s next, unbuttoning your shirt to show someone you’re wearing garments? |
I know a guy who does that. Drives me crazy. |
@#4 Tim. |
When folks really believe in their religion and are trying to be upstanding/honest they tend to be afraid that because of their weaknesses or misunderstandings which often develop in business dealings they will be a bad example of the believer in their business dealings and they tend not to broadcast their religious affiliation. That is my theory anyway |
#22 – Your reasoning is much more valiant than mine. I think I’m gonna adopt it. |
I am with most people here – if someone inserts they are religious into a sales pitch – that is a cue for me to run the other way. |
Stephen M (Ethesis) #17, I don’t want to go into details, but we were asked to provide a proposal for services. After producing a standard proposal, we were then asked to provide a much more detailed proposal, so that the project could be evaluated higher up. This was an unusual step, but we were given promises that we’d get the work if it was approved. So we gave them a massive document that outlined the whole system in great detail. Then they kept asking for more, “So we can get it approved!” All the while with promised that we’d get the implementation work. It got to the point that they asked for and received a functioning proof of concept which they did not pay for. So we did a proposal and proof of concept which was so detailed that they used it to do the work themselves, all the while denying that they were doing that. |
You don’t get away from religious discussions in southern Utah. We’re such beasts in a barnyard that way. |
arj, you should sue. Not for money, but for right. |
annegb, Not gonna happen. It was several years ago now and the people involved had no intention of ever suing. |
re #13- I’ve seen the Christus at Johns Hopkins- it’s huge and breathtakingly beautiful. Fish symbols on business cards…ick. If you’re truly a follower of Christ, it will be shown in your deeds and words and people will spread the word. |
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