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I sure do relate to how you feel. Sometimes I feel “homeless” – I don’t fit in with feminists, because I’m Mormon. I don’t fit in with Mormons, because I’m liberal. I don’t fit in with moral relativists, because I believe in absolute truth and commandments. I don’t fit in with people who keep lots of commandments (whoever they are), because I like being with people who are major sinners (whatever that means). Most of all, I don’t fit in with myself – I can’t stand to be quiet about things that are important to me, and I can’t stand it when people don’t like me. Thankfully, my desire to stand for the right has thus far been stronger than my desire to be liked. So at least I can live with myself. All that being said, here’s what I think about the post: Ultimately, all I care about is my relationship between God and me, with no intermediary. If a church leader tells me that I’m apostate or not worthy to go the temple, I’m okay with that, if I have a clear conscience that God sanctions my thoughts, actions, and intentions. (By the way, no leader has ever called me an apostate, and I’ve never been judged unworthy to attend the temple just because of my opinions, associations, or political leanings.) I suspect that bloggers like John Dehlin and Jana Reiss express themselves because they feel it is the right thing to do. That is called integrity. As they grow and mature and human beings, their ideas of “the right thing to do” may shift or evolve. Or maybe not. I understand your sense of foreboding; in my opinion, you are warranted in your suspicion. But church conspiracy or judgement or shunning or whatever we can imagine is not the worst case scenario: a life lived without integrity is the worst case scenario. |
Well, I guess I had a lot to say about that! :-) |
I find it fascinating that the Church is doing this survey. In some ways, I wish they would cast a wider net and make the survey available to more people. 1000 is not very many. It makes me wonder how they decided who to send the survey to. Is it a random list of 1000 people or is it a list of 1000 people that were specially chosen because the Church values their opinion? I like the way that the bloggers/journalists responded in the article in the Tribune. None of them were offended or particularly alarmed at being included on the survey, though some like Jana wondered how they made the list. If I were on the list I would consider it a compliment, not a reason to feel targeted. I think the Church is honestly just trying to find out information here. After all, if it finds that there are some of these writers that people (especially members) trust, that can be very useful information. |
Sounds like we’re twins separated at birth, Angie. I agree with you, Mcq….you make good points. |
The only thing that I know is that they didn’t ask me anything. |
I’m not immediately seeing why anyone would consider this particular survey threatening. Could someone elaborate? If the church finds out you are unpopular with people they surveyed, you think something bad would happen? |
Arj, I thought the same thing! E, I’m not sure. What do you think? I don’t think the survey has a thing to do with popularity. I think it has to do with influence. Do these people influence you negatively or positively? But interviewing only 1000 people might get them 1000 “never heard of them” response. Which would be worse than “hate their guts.” |
After he showed up in my ward one Sunday, and cross-referencing notes with a relative in another state, I’ve figured out that Glenn Beck is wicked smart when it comes to personal security, and my wife thinks he’s got a wonderful singing voice. |
“Glenn Beck is wicked smart when it comes to personal security” Seriously??? I don’t even know what that means. Are you saying he knows jiu-jitsu? Or that he can disguise himself as a campfire girl. Either way, it’s weird. But on another note, I hear Sean Hannity is a genius at Macrame. |
I feel a little bit of your forboding, annegb. But it’s not because I think there is any sort of witch hunt here, c’mon. The Church apparently conducts focus groups and does surveys fairly regularly, and has done so for years. What causes me concern is the very real possibility you alluded to; that the survey is very likely to elicit 1,000 “never heard of them” responses. The Church Public Affairs Dept. will then send up the signal that the Bloggernacle is a big nothing. Having statistics to dismiss the Bloggernacle is not a good thing. |
I’m okay with that, Hunter. I have enough trouble in my life. I suppose it’s a mixed emotion situation for most of us. We want our opinions to matter, but we want to be free to express them. If I have to choose between the two, I pick freedom. |
This is nothing to get one’s knickers in a twist about. It is obviously just a permeability survey. And John Dehlin’s quote in the article is sheer ridiculousness, a purposefully calculated bit of incendiary fluff. And no, I’m not in the mood to mince words today. |
Yeah, queuno, I’m with Mcq, what are you talking about? When I first read that, I missed the “at security” part and thought “really? He doesn’t seem that smart.” |
Sr, what is a permeability survey. Uh…you dislike John? |
Why would someone feel uneasy about a survey like this? Imagine this scenario: A statically significant number of responders say that they have heard of John Dehlin’s Mormon Stories podcast, and that these podcasts have produced doubts in the respondents’ minds about the LDS church. Church leaders then decide to put resources (time and salary of an employee of the church) into looking more closely at what Mormon Stories is all about. This church employee then investigates the small groups that have been formed around the country by Mormon Stories listeners. Eventually, these groups are classified as an apostate group, association with which will keep an LDS church member from being given a temple recommend. I think this scenario depends on the goals of and questions on the survey. But “lies, damn lies, and statistics” can be manipulated as ammunition for any purpose/agenda. I think the feeling of foreboding comes, not necessarily because an individual is worried that he is going apostate, but because his deepest fear is being exposed – that he was never really part of the community of saints in the first place. |
I do feel uneasy about this survey business, for all the reasons #15 stated except the last sentence. I am not worried about my testimony of the gospel, I have had my very personal witness of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I have also lived long enough to understand the Church is run by humans and sometimes stupid stuff happens. I don’t want good people to be misunderstood. |
Angie, let’s not imagine that scenario. First of all, it’s really far-fetched. Second, it chills everything the Church does if we imagine nefarious motives attached to every action, even something as innocuous as a freaking survey. Let’s pretend for a minute that we’re not paranoid and give the Church the benefit of the doubt. |
I’m not a very good actor. |
#9 – This is great! I love a good smart aleck. I don’t know any of you, but I’d like to respond to a couple of comments in an attempt to be helpful. (This isn’t the helpful part): annegb, I think it is absolutely hilarious that your neighbor took a copy of your post to the stake president. I would have had a lot of fun with that one. The other thing I wanted to say to you is, a jerk is going to be a jerk whether he’s a priesthood holder or not. Unfortunately, “Are you a narrow-minded dolt?” or “How about a self-righteous jerk?” aren’t yet personal worthiness questions and they get moved on up the ranks with everybody else. (Hopefully somewhat helpful part) As an outsider, this doesn’t sound like a blogger hunt — it just sounds like a survey. Like someone mentioned earlier, I wasn’t aware of all of this Blogostuff until just recently. I don’t know if being in the East versus being out West makes a difference in that, though I’m sure being out of school for 400 years might have an effect. The other thing I wanted to say is that the Church is usually very careful to stay within the bounds of the law, and as a former journalist, I know when it comes to writing it gets pretty touchy. My personal opinion is that you don’t have anything to worry about. |