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Does the clerk/church turn it in to the BSA, or do they keep the money local? |
They can’t turn it in. The check is made out to the ward, and I put our troop number on the donation slip. I also included a note explaining that the money was to go to the groups in our ward. |
I’ll look for your name in the paper. |
LOL, annegb. I didn’t know about the exorbitant salaries of BSA execs until that story hit the wires. The next time they come knocking I will be following suit. |
agreed–just after the FOS drive here, we learned that our local troop is out of money and won’t be giving any awards for the rest of 2011–they’ll give the boys an advancement paper and the parent can purchase them at the scout store. really? after the ward’s just donated how much money to FOS? we call it the “reluctant forced supporters of scouting drive” around here. |
I’ve got no dog in this hunt. Just another Eagle Scout who thoroughly enjoyed scouting and is now really bummed after reading #5. #occupyBSA |
Where did you read about exorbitant salaries of execs? I didn’t know that–I would’ve thought their salaries were low. |
#5 Anita, What the heck? |
annegb, if you read my post on FOS at nine moons, or the post here with the link to the Tribune, you would have seen the salaries of the BSA execs. They are far too high for a non-profit, and it’s those expenses that FOS money goes to. |
arJ, your experience with your neighbor just shows that the YM Pres who sent the email to his ward members did the right thing. No one should be asked to contribute to something without having the facts, and there is no way to get the accurate facts unless those who know them tell the ward members. Even those who are asked to head the FOS drive are often ignorant. It seems intentionally so. |
The little FoS envelope has some rough numbers on it explaining where the money goes. If you bother to read it you’ll see that the troop doesn’t get a penny. It is really vague about salaries, but I support the guy that emailed his ward. I’m not going to do that, but I figured this was the least I could do. |
Ah…., sorry, I missed that; wow, had no clue. The guy down the street who’s the scout exec down here no way makes that kind of money. We’re supporting the CEO, not the program. |
It does seem a strong possibility that some people are making too much of a living off the BSA program. Maybe the word “thrifty” in the Scout Law needs some new examination? Regardless, I am grateful for all the positive experiences I had in Scouting growing up and I know for a fact that Scouting is an essential program for our LDS kids here in Harlem. We will soon award our first eagle scout award and are hoping to see more follow. These kids grow up in a hyper-urban environment and Scouting is perhaps the main means we have to get them out camping and doing other valuable activities. Frankly, it’s also a way to make sure our kids are off the streets and at our chapel on Friday nights. I’ve heard a horror story about what happened with one NYC kid who didn’t show up to Scouts one night (though it wasn’t, I believe, in our particular ward). I think we often think of Scouting as happening in a generally LDS environment in Utah and we worry about some people who are extreme Scouters – or we worry about inequities that occur between the Young Men and Young Women programs. I can appreciate these kinds of concerns and sensitivities – there seems to be some real basis to these complaints. But here in our context, Scouting is invaluable and I still believe it can be an ideal program anywhere if it’s approached wisely and correctly. |
I’m not really understanding what you mean in the last paragraph? Did you mean Young Men and not YW? What’s any of that got to do with fast offerings? I frankly don’t like the FOS drive. But I donate because if the church is actually asking for it on such a large scale, the Lord’s servants must feel it is worthwhile — despite its certain many imperfections. I suppose it’s also recognition that I really should be willing to detach myself from “my wealth” and freely give it when called upon. I don’t begrudge donating, I just don’t fully realize the value like others of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to executive incomes when the church could easily duplicate and improve upon scouting within the YM program itself in a matter of weeks for a fraction of the cost. Typing all that out for the first time, I get the sense that perhaps the church is not just interested in what scouting can do for the church youth (as we can easily do that with our own programs), but perhaps the immense good the BSA does for all those other youths that are involved. Viewed in that light, it’s like we’re supporting an organization that helps train up other good young men in many other faiths. Surely if the church pulled out of scouting, the BSA as a whole would suffer financially, which would have an impact on thousands of other non-member kids. Of course… I’m not one to judge if that’s sufficient reasoning as we all know there are many other better ways to help kids around the world. Not to mention the lack of comparable support for girls organizations (outside of the church). |
No, I donated money to two different organizations. One was the Scout Troop, the other was the Young Women. I figure if the troop deserves some of my cash then the YW deserves the same amount, right? Maybe they should get more as they don’t come to my house and ask for it. I have very mixed feelings about the BSA. I enjoyed my own experience in Scouts, felt that I was treated badly as a BSA employee, got a great scholarship from them, and now marvel at the salaries. I also think that their blanket discrimination against gays is ridiculous, to the point where it goes above and beyond what the LDS Church does. The BSA, if it desires to do so, can address the issues with executive pay and bigotry. At that point I will reconsider participation in Friends of Scouting, but the money still won’t go to the local troop. |
Thanks for explaining. I guess the fast offering was just confusing me when mixed in with the rest. If there is one thing we have a doctrinal obligation to generously give it’s definitely through fast offerings. |
chris, I think your third paragraph is correct. BSA would probably collapse without the support of the Church. At the very least it would have to cut back enormously. It’s been such a longstanding partnership that maybe the Church leaders don’t want to cause that kind of disruption. I enjoyed being a scout and I’m glad I worked to get my Eagle, but I’m certain that the Church could come up with a program that would be a worldwide solution to the problem of YM activities and teach some of the same skills for less money. I wish it would do that rather than continuing to fund the BSA. As an organization, I just don’t think that we should be associated with it anymore, for some of the same reasons arJ mentioned. |
Someone just came by for FOS and so I looked up the SLTrib article again (after reading it when it was first published). I’m wondering if the the clerk or anyone has ever contacted you about donating directly to the troop using a tithing slip? I’m thinking this is how I’d rather donate. Thanks |
No, Marcie, they won’t contact you; but you can donate directly through your tithing slip. See the previous posts. |
That is what I mean, annegb. The original posted said that the (ward financial) clerk hadn’t contacted them about accounting difficulties. I was just wondering, since the post was made if the clerk had contacted them. I would like to donate to the troop using a tithing slip and I was just wondering if it had caused issues and if anyone in the bishopric had asked them about it. |
I made the donation. I have not heard of any issues. |
Here it is another year and another opportunity to go out and seek donations for Friends of Scouting. While, I’ve had some mixed feelings over the last couple of years, I will be participating as a volunteer and as a donator. Here’s how I’ve reconciled my feelings: I had a wonderful experience as a scout. I was blessed with great leaders. I made eagle with their help. They taught the Scout Oath and Scout Law. I have had the opportunity to work with Scouts in leadership situations for the last 25+ years. I have seen how scouting can have an impact on young men. In my opinion, the BSA can find a way to make money like any other “business” to pay their employees. But I have been asked to help not only by the BSA but by my church. So I’ve really thought about the eagle oath that says “I will give back more to scouting than it has given to me.” And the Scout Law that says I will be helpful, kind, obedient, and cheerful. Then I read in the bible about not coveting and realize that if I worry about what some scout executive is making and that he makes it through donations–well, I decided that’s okay and I’m not going to covet the money or be jealous that that is what they make. I’m just going to count helping and donating as my way of doing a a few “good turns daily” and let it go at that. My church teaches to pay tithes and offerings. I’m counting my donation to FOS as one of those offerings. If it blesses someone elses life, then it makes me happy. |