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You may also look forward to going to college, surmounting an impossible load of debt and paying it off when you’re in a nursing home. |
It is interesting that the frequency of millenialist talks went down 20+ years ago and have not really come back. The preparations for local and worldwide calamities has not decreased. It is interesting that 80 years ago, much of the world went through a 15-20 year era of depression and war. Plenty of people felt that their world was not going to be better than their parents. Yet people born in the late ’20s USA probably saw the greatest era of continuous prosperity during their adult lives of any generation ever. This was the age of most senior GAs once Pres. Kimball & Romney passed away. Maybe the young apostles will bring back the millenialist talks in a few years. |
I was curious about Packer’s talk because of the same part that you quoted. President Hinckley said much the same thing once or twice. My take on it is that if no one knows the day and hour, then that includes apostles and prophets and that means their predictions aren’t much better than anyone else’s. Packer’s reassurances are interesting, but not dispositive of anything. Still, there are a number of signs that haven’t happened and until they do, I don’t see any reason to think the end is near. |
President Packer’s talk was from the Saturday Morning session and was therefore addressed to all the Youth, not just the boys. |
The history of Christianity — and the history of the church — is one of being consistently wrong about the second coming, millenium, end times etc. What the GAs quoted above said is fairly consistent with what Wilford Woodruff once said. He tries to live his life so that if the second coming happened that day he would be ready. On the other hand, he is still planting cherry trees. Good counsel. |
#4- You are right. I take back the snarkiness. Occasionally I let my hypersensitivity to feminist perspective get in the way of basic fact checking. |
It is interesting that the frequency of millenialist talks went down 20+ years ago and have not really come back. I wonder if the peaceful fall of the Soviet Union caused some of the brethren to reassess some of their assumptions about the future. It certainly did me (and I was one who never believed war with the Soviets was inevitable.) |
Just read the Bible; it’s rife with rumors of the last days. I wonder if the original followers of Jesus were disappointed there. |
I’m sure Packer is correct. I have read enough of his talks to know that he often speaks his own opinion and not by way of inspiration. We only need to follow our leaders when they speak with the Spirit. As no one knows the time Christ will come, I am not sure how anyone could counsel against preparing as if he were to come tomorrow. But if it makes you feel good then go for it. |
“The way things are going, the world’s going to be over with. The end of the world is going to come before I get to where I should be.” Not so! You can look forward to doing it right – getting married, having a family, seeing your children and grandchildren and maybe even your great-grandchildren.” Remember the world doesn’t end with the second coming. The second coming will be a time of great upheaval that will usher in 1,000 years of peace. |
As far as my understanding goes, the end of the world does not equate to the end of the earth, but means the end of the great and spacious building which Nephi saw fall. End of the world to me means end of worldliness. |
When I think of end of the world, I think of the book of Revelations and bad times of major human suffering. I’m not interested in participating in that. |
“When I think of end of the world, I think of the book of Revelations and bad times of major human suffering.” That’s not the end of the world. That IS the world. Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 24: |
“But when the Good News is preached in all the world, and witnessed to all the nations, then the end of the world will come.” |
#13 – You got me. There is currently major suffering in the world. But not at my house today. So, I am not interested in personally experiencing the terrible pestilence, world-wide famines, earthquakes, etc. that I learned about (and had nightmares about) when I was a teenager. I had the gift of some very creative, graphic church leaders who really wanted to drive home the idea that Bad Things Are A’coming. Nothing against anyone else’s really bad times, but I am into self-preservation. Thus – thanks to Pres. Packer, I am choosing to sleep well and not worry about future calamities. It will be a hard habit to break. |
The end times can be viewed as either good or bad. The great upheaval is like throwing up. You don’t want to go through it, but you know you’ll feel a lot better afterwards. In todays world, we face perils much worse than death. To actually face death would be an improvement. If the world goes armageddon on us, is that bad? If you don’t make it there’s always the first resurrection, so why worry? Just the prospect of the Savior coming trumps all else. We should all be rejoicing. |
I am prety sure if I was facing a long, torture-filled death, I would volunteer to just be shot and get it over with. I’m not afraid of being dead. I’m afraid of suffering and watching others suffer. To me, that is what what the end of times represents. I’m telling ya, you had to be a kid in my ward in the ’80s to understand how freaked out I am about the whole thing. |