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Mitt leads in Florida by 9 points, and that will probably be close to the final margin. Santorum will suspend his campaign for the month of February, then perhaps contest super Tuesday if Newt has (finally) been totally discredited as a conservative alternative to Romney. Which is likely, because I don’t see Newt winning anything in February. Missouri would be his best shot, but he’s not on the ballot (the primary isn’t binding anyway). Eventually, I see Gingrich winning the remaining southern states (except Virginia, where he again failed to get on the ballot), and Mitt winning everything else. That gives the nomination to Romney, but provides enough delegates to Gingrich and Paul to turn the convention into a circus. Note also that Obama is pulling away in the general election polls. Until now, he has always lost to a generic Republican, but been basically tied with Romney and comfortably ahead of every other actual Republican candidate. Now he is comfortably ahead of both the generic Republican and Romney and is blowing the other candidates totally out of the water with leads approaching 20 points. This will go on as long as the economy continues to improve (however slowly) and the Republican candidates continue to do Obama’s campaigning for him. |
I think the process has been interesting and cringe worthy. As much as Romney was accused early on as always going negative, it looked to me like he was trying to avoid burning bridges so the party could coalesce around him. Early on Gingrich didn’t have a a chance of winning and Santorum was a total unknown. Both moved into the limelight on the anti-Romney fervor and once they each realized they actually have a shot at becoming president, they pulled out all the stops. Romney didn’t react to this in time and lost SC… and so now, with each of the 3 really believing they have a chance of being President, and both Gingrich and Santorum feeling bitter about losing what seems so close to success… Well, I don’t see Gingrich being quick to forgive and line up behind Romney. The earth has been scorched. Santorum the same, he seems to get angrier with every debate. I may not have minded him as President a month or so ago, but now I really don’t want to look forward to 9 months of him yelling at us, potentially followed by 4 more years of him thinking, “If only I yell my point more forcefully, they’ll understand”. That’s worse than the Great Communicator thinking he just needs to give another nice speech…. So I see a scorched earth policy emerging for all of the candidates. The only thing that makes me think they can unite behind Romney (eventually) is the fact that even Hillary lined up with Obama and was part of the administration. And they had some tough battles on the primary trail as well. |
LL – I agree with your assessment. I did not know Gingrich missed the Missouri ballot. I think Santorum is hanging on in hopes Newt will self-immolate which he is close to at this point. chris – it is amazing how angry Santorum is. I think your Hilary/Obama analogy is a good one. If those two can work together, anyone can. |
I take back the nice things I said about Sarah Palin. What is up with her support of Gingrich? I’m so mad at her about this. Again, I abhore those Christian fundamentalists who hate Mormons so much they will support a person who so blatantly has gone against what they profess to believe. Crazy. I think Santorum defines morality as being mad about the sin. I’m not saying this right, but I’ve heard this tone in Relief Society. Condemning, cold, cruel pronouncements of damnation on those who break what we believe to be commandment. It’s my soap box these days—people saying “they are guilty of sin!” instead of “I choose not to do those things, God will judge others.” There’s the perception that if one says “I love and accept my friend who has done something outside of proscribed Mormon morality” we are actually saying “go kill somebody!” Anybody who can help me dispute that articulately? I told Bill that the way things stand right now, I’m voting for Obama. He was shocked. I think his friends have brainwashed him. Although, go Mitt, last night. I’m mystified as to why Gingrich even has the nerve to run, let alone why anyone would vote for him. What? Back to your subject, yeah, Mitt in Florida. Hopefully they’re not as nuts as South Carolina…..although there is the 2000 election. Southerners, what is up with you guys? |
Newt is essentially unelectable. Obama would end up with somewhere north of 325 electoral votes in a match-up with Newt. This is why whenever Newt start to gain in the polls he falls back down again after the Primary voters think about him for a while. The guy is a walking “skeleton in my closet” billboard. What Newt does do well is battle with the press. Repub primary voters take it as gospel that the typical reporter from CNN, ABC, wash post etc is a diehard liberal who lives in a liberal echo chamber and supports Dem candidates. So any candidate that calls out the typical reporter and bashes them wins some points with these voters. Juan Williams and Newt must have conspired together to have that exchange (Wink). It was a perfect set-up. Romney is a very different candidate then Newt. He plays much better in purple states then Newt or Santorum. Romney still sweeps the South including VA, NC, and Florida. Takes Indiana and NH, and probably wins Ohio, NV, and NH. Romney also will compete in places like Michigan, Wisconsin, PA although these states are much harder for Romney due to past voting behavior. Out West in Colorado and New Mexico Romney is better then Newt as well. Obama’s map to reelection is much narrower against Romney and the map does not really favor him that much. Obama really needs to be at 49% or higher in his approval ratings. He is at 45% or so now which would lead him to about 47-48% if the election were held today based on Gallup data and analysis released today. The wild card here would be a very dramatic change in the economy this spring. There are some signs of some improvement in the economy right now but the signs are really soft |
Annegb – I don’t think we Mormons are often that different from the Evangelicals in our rush to judge. How many Mormons would vote for an openly gay candidate? How about a Muslim? How about someone who was excommunicated from our Church? All people have their biases and prejudices… |
bbell, NH is over. Why do you keep saying Romney’s going to win it? Also, why do you insist on using “then” in place of “than?” It’s irritating. It’s been pretty obvious for a while that Romney will be the eventual nominee, barring major unforseen screwups, but he may have to fight it out state by state over the long term because of the proportional delegate rules now in place. Even so, if the others don’t collect pretty serious delegate totals in each primary, it’s going to be tough to stay in the race because money will dry up. |
Devyn, I agree with your #6 to some extent, but there’s a difference. Mormons vote for candidates from other Christian denominations all the time. Evangelicals define “Christian” very narrowly and are highly prejudiced against people of any faith that falls outside their definition. So they have all the Mormon predjudices, plus some against those with whom they should have a lot in common. That’s a lot worse, and not just because it’s happening to US. |
Mittens wins the nomination and gets beat by 4-5 points in the general election (which we don’t care about) and by a smaller margin than McCain in the electoral college (but not that it will be “close”). |
bbell – you hit a really good point on Newt and the press. He eats that up as do many of his followers… Of course, he is a bit crazy at times too when he talks about moon colonies and such. |
Stealing a bit from Twitter … I’m still astounded that people think a permanent lunar colony is possible but universal health care is. |
Er, I’m still astounded that people think a permanent lunar colony is NOT possible but universal health care is. |
Go,Mitt, go! Not that I am a fan of his politics but I am a fan of having a Mormon be president so all my evangelical friends will start collecting food, preparing for The End of The World. They can’t imagine anything worse than a Mormon president and are confident that event would hasten Christ’s 2nd coming. Either way, it’s a win. |
You’re right, Devyn….but can you imagine Utah going for Newt if he were a Mormon over a more moral person? I don’t think so. |
Is this the most time consuming, money consuming, destructive way to choose a party leader. If you tried you could not come up with a worse system? |
I sure can. Just because Romney doesn’t cheat on his wife doesn’t mean he’s a moral person. |
If you tried you could not come up with a worse system? Sure you could. Just for starters– * put the nomination up for auction on E-bay; I could go on. You forgot the rest of Churchill’s quotation: …”the worst form…except for the others that have been tried.” |
12. queuno – we do have a model for universal healthcare – see most developed countries – it isn’t perfect but it exists. Lunar colony exists in Newt’s head… 13. living in zion – I would not disagree with you there. 16. jjohnsen – If Newt were the Republican candidate and a General Authority the Democratic candidate in Utah – sadly I would put money on Newt winning… 17. Last Lemming – I tend to like the view that they aggregate what they were going to spend and then send us each a check. |
I just got back from a week in South Carolina. One of the local shopkeepers told me the reason Romney didn’t win the state is because his organization ‘robo’ called everyone to death. The last three weeks before the primary it was not unusual to get 6 automated political calls in an hour, all day long. Most of the senior folks turned off their phones. It caused all kinds of problems for the home health companies that are supposed to do phone checks on people. Because no one was answering their phones, the health workers had to do door-to-door checks every day. |
The Santorum campaign finally came to life with wins in CO, MO, and MN. Looks like it’s going to be a real horse race. If I had to bet, I’d still bet that Romney will win the Repub nomination. But if I had my druthers, I’druther it was Santorum. |