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I figure a child’s Pat. Blessing is like their birth certificate, blessing certificate, etc. and a copy should be kept by the parents. No one cares about you more than your parents. Besides, NH, if you are anything like my kids it is just a matter of time before they realize their copy is lost and are looking to replace it. |
My parents keep copies of blessings in a binder. They have theirs, their parents, grandparents, my siblings, mine, my husbands and all of my kids who have received it up to this point. I never really thought much about it. It just seems like record keeping to me. I actually lost mine and was so happy they had a copy so I could make me a copy. We have copies of our children’s with ours in a binder. My husband felt like we should keep copies in one place. I think it’s a pretty good idea. I haven’t made it a practice to read them often, but I have read them. I tend to think that they are sacred, but not secret. |
i don’t think it’s necessarily a parent’s business to read a child’s PB without the child’s consent. Most people are adults or nearly adults when they get their PB, and parents should treat them like adults. |
Since the first thing he says about the blessing is it “is yours and yours alone” to me it seems wrong and contradicts what he was saying to have it with someone other than the directed recipient. Reminds me of journals, I write for myself and for the idea that after I die someone else will read them. Not so my husband can see what I felt about last Monday’s activity. If anyone but me read my journal while I was alive I’d be hurt and ashamed. I understand when a boy is 14 he’s probably not the best at keeping track of things. But surely by the time he gets married and moves out of his parents house he’s understood the importance of it and has kept it in a place so as not to lose it. Which is why I assumed that once I moved out and got married among the things I took with me was the original copy. According to the scriptures I’m no longer my parents child but my husband’s wife, just as he is no longer a child but instead my husband. |
she-bop, it’s not a matter of them being secret, it’s a matter of them being personal. I don’t see why your parents would have a copy of anyone’s blessing but their own. It strikes me as particularly weird for them to keep copies of blessings directed to people that are not their children. How did they even get copies of your husband’s and your children’s blessings? BTW, do you know what your handle means? You might want to check the slang meaning before you continue to use it. Unless, of course, it’s what you intend to convey, in which case, never mind. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Bop |
Isn’t it pretty hard to get a copy of your blessing if you don’t know what stake you were in or the name of the patriarch? I got mine at BYU. If I lost it (or lost it in a fire) I would hope my parents had a copy of it. I’m sure most parents would be fine with kids asking the parents not to have it. |
Not hard to get a copy or yours, or your direct line ancestors. Use the form provided at the link below. Login with your LDS apps credentials. |
Way to kill the fun, MCQ. I used to even like Cyndi Lauper. Are you going to spill the beans about Santa next? |
since most parents attend their children’s patriarchal blessings, reading it over later to remind themselves of what was said doesn’t seem inappropriate. and since we can request copies of direct line ancestors’ blessings, it seems like direct-line descendants are part of that continuum. |
It is the Spirit that conveys the true meaning That is an essay all of its own. I’ve not kept a copy of blessings or read them for my children. Maybe I should. |
I found the original of Sarah’s patriarchial blessing the other day and gave it to her. I wasn’t keeping it FROM her, she just left bits and pieces at our house. Hell, her prom and wedding dresses are downstairs. Old toys and dolls (cool ones, you guys, that I could sell for a lot of money!) I don’t see anything wrong with your mom keeping your blessing, NH. You’re 21, Sarah’s almost 26–Bill’s mom gave him stuff when he was 55! I’m sure there was no invasion of privacy intent. I also have the original of my sister’s blessing which I’m saving for her oldest son (if he ever speaks to me again, never mind, stupid story). I don’t know how I ended up with it. My other sister gave me a copy of hers to keep because she keeps losing it when she moves. I’ve read Sarah’s a few times, but I remember what it says pretty good. Because I listened VERY carefully due to the problem with the patriarch. It’s really, really hard to be the parent of adults. I haven’t enjoyed it very much. Now when I see parents with toddlers, I tell them ” enjoy every minute because when they turn 14, it’s all over. You will never complain about temper tantrums again.” You young people don’t understand what it’s like to be under the gun with adult kids. I have this book that advises “keep your door open and your mouth shut” and I thought “yeah, right, that’s gonna happen.” My kids are kind of beyond the “mom’s controlling my life stage” and are entering the “who wants to change Mom’s diapers stage.” OR, or and this is rich, “who gets Mom’s good stuff?” They boss me around and correct me and get exasperated in the store because I wander off. I’m not quite that little old lady, but what I’m saying, children, is what goes around comes around. You, too, will someday have teenagers who are embarrassed to be on the same planet as you and then adult children whose dumb choices make you cringe, while dreading conflict and rejection. What goes around comes around and one of the funnest moments in my life was when my Jessie was mortified and upset at her little niece’s behavior. (She’s like a surrogate mom to her). I said “payback. Let’s take a little trip down memory lane.” NH, if the worst thing your mother ever does is read your Patriarchial Blessing, you should count your blessings. I had to get my mother out of jail–more than once–because of public drunk and disorderly. When I was your age!! |
LiZ, there’s nothing wrong with liking Cyndi Lauper, you know, if you’re into that sort of thing. And the same could be said for having that handle, I just thought maybe she should be aware of the facts, just in case she wasn’t. The last thing I would ever do is discourage women from feeling “fulfilled.” BTW, about Santa? See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa |
Wo. Two smack downs over one comment. I guess I am done here. Sorry to have the wrong handle, and apparently the wrong answer. |
anita–though you can’t get a copy of currently living direct ancestors without their permission. annegb–I’m sorry for your life experiences, and that your children don’t see the love you’ve tried to convey. Mental illness is not as rampant in my life right now as it was/is in yours. You almost make me want to apologize for my normal, well rounded childhood. Just because I live a different life than yours doesn’t mean my life is going to turn out like yours. I have a great relationship with my mother, and if life echos itself (which it usually does) chances are I’ll have a great relationship with my future adult daughter. Us young people know it’s hard to become an adult when you have a parent breathing down your neck parroting all the mistakes you/they’ve made growing up. Once they leave the house it’s no longer your duty to make decisions for them. Those of us that are parents know it’s going to be hard. It seems like you’re just repeating common sayings we’ve all heard. MCQ–don’t forget the reindeer! ;) |
Well, it is a patriarchal blessing, so the parents should have some interest in the matter. |
NH, I will accept cash donations from everyone in the world who had a good childhood if they want to make it up to me. Saying you know what to expect with your kids is the same thing as thinking you know what to expect of labor before you’ve actually passed an 8 lb lump through your vagina. Brace yerself…..Even my nicest child drove me nuts when she was 14. |
My oldest daughter is 14 and a half and she is absolutely delightful. I think she is awesome. This morning she came in to my room early to ask if I could take her to school early (normally she takes the bus) so she could work on a science assignment at school, but if it wasn’t convenient she could work something else out. I said I could make it work, so she happily settled my 4 year old with morning routine so I could get out of bed and take her and still get back in time to shower. She thanked me for taking her to school on the way. Pretty much all of our interactions are like that. |
“Patriarchal” just means it’s given by a stake patriarch. It doesn’t mean there is any parental involvement in, or responsibility over, the blessing. If people want to involve their parents in their blessing, that’s certainly their privilege, but parents shouldn’t just automatically presume to take ownership of, or have copies of, patriarchal blessings without the consent of the person to whom it was given. |
Well, I’m not trying to be cruel on purpose. I’m trying to say enjoy your babies because this is the best time. Hmmmm…… You’re lucky, JKS, but I bet statistically, you’re in the minority. Teenagers are hard. Parenting adult children is hard. I think it’s harder than those little bodies that exhaust their mommies. Then again, I have said I probably shouldn’t have become a mother at all. |
here is my thoughts on this, i think that its a good idea to have a copy home in a safe place, if it means the parents then its the parents regardless if its the orginal or not. but i dont know want to know if they are reading it or not. to me its creepy to know wether or not they are reading it. |
Though one would hope that by the time you start a family you’re responsible enough to dedicate a safe place on your own. I don’t know any parents that keep copies of their kids social security cards, birth certificates, marriage license and other legal forms just in case the kids lose it once upon moving out. Growing up the majority of my friends had good relationships with their parents. Yes we all had days where we hated them, but very few of them (if any) ever threatened to run away–which to me would hint at a dysfunctional relationship. |
I have those things for all my kids, NH. They know it and are glad because they move so much. It wasn’t a calculated process but one of them needed a birth certificate and didn’t have the money to send for it, so I did. Then he asked me to keep it. I have his diploma! I ended up sending for certified copies of all the birth certificates. Heck, a couple of months ago Jessie came and got hers because she lost her SS card. And brought it back. I’m like my kids’ safety deposit box. I think I gave them their SS cards, though. I hope so because our house is full of crap. Funny thing, I was going through files the other day and I found all their immunization records! I packed up buttloads of stuff (I had probably every school paper they’d ever brought home, I saved everything) and gave it to each of them, telling them to make their own scrapbook. We gave Jared Bill’s army trunk with all his childhood stuff in it but he lost it when he failed to pay his storage bill. Can’t even think about that. The girls mocked me for saving so much stuff and threw out a lot of it! I can’t believe they didn’t want their kindergarten graduation cap (made from oatmeal boxes. For me, it’s been a gradual process of moving my jkids out of the house (Bill Cosby once said he hoped his kids moved out before he died). They are very emotionally attached to our house and swear they will never sell it as directed to in our will. You guys, yes, I feel I was a terrible mother and feel so sorry for my poor children. They’re in denial and seem to be attached to me nevertheless. And they leave their bits and pieces with me so I don’t forget I have children. NH, you’d probably throw up if you came for a visit. Jy, Sarah just took it for granted I’d read her blessing. I took it down and she was glad to have it but didn’t even ask if I read it. Just started talking about it. Off the subject but you wouldn’t believe how important my journals are becoming for looking up stuff that happened. |
Nh, my kids are afraid I’m going to run away LOL. |
I think a patriarchal blessing is incredibly personal, and it’s inappropriate for the parents (or anyone else, for that matter) to keep a copy and/or read it without the permission of the person whose blessing it is. It’s like eavesdropping on someone’s prayers. I would feel violated if anyone read my blessing without my consent. My parents weren’t present when I received my blessing, and they have never read it. I don’t intend to ever let them read it because there is a paragraph in there about them that I would prefer they not see. |
Hmmm….well, that’s another perspective. Had my daughter preferred the set of circumstances you describe, I’d have totally respected her wishes. She wanted me there and like I said, I remember much of it from that. She wasn’t bothered that I had hers, and I didn’t even remember that I had it. For us, it’s a non-issue. I don’t know if my friends have kept their childrens’ blessings but some have spoken about reading them. For my circle, the blessing meant much more to the parent than the child. It’s a rite of passage and while I get that you might have reasons to hide yours from your parents, I think, for the most part, it’s mean to exclude loving parents from something so meaningful to THEM. I don’t think NH is talking about intrusive controlling parenting, but more a difference in perspective. And I submit, again, that there are far worse things a parent can do. And I further submit that young parents are blissfully ignorant of all the ways they’re going to offend, irritate and enrage their children. “It’s in the way of things” (Wayne Dyer, maybe Tao) I didn’t really read my blessing for about 10 years, but it was a departure for me to even have one, having mostly been raised by wolves. |
My Pat. blessing (received when I was 14ish)was a lifeline while getting through my teen and young adult years. Like annegb, I have all my kids crap. Immunizations, Church certificates, copies of Pat. blessings, whatever. I’m not organized like an early commenter, with generations of blessings in protected binders (I like that idea, though). I just figure we are family. We shared bathrooms, food and beds. Yes – to all my children – I have a copy of your Pat. Blessings. Get over it. I probably still have the pregnancy pee stick that confirmed your existence, too, if that puts it into perspective. |
I have the pregnancy pee stick!!! It’s in her baby book. I was so happy about being pregnant I documented as much as possible. But I just realized “I peed on that thing.” Well, that’s awkward. |
Annegb, Just another example of how close family members really are. I wiped up pee from every one of my kids. Hell, they all peed on me! I am sure they can handle a pregnancy stick in a baby book. |
I didn’t save anything from the pregnancy. Pure hell that I wouldn’t want to be reminded of. A few parents save a spinet of their newborn’s hair. One of my friends has her husband’s baby book (guess it was a ‘welcome to the family’ type gift) and every time you open it a little bit of hair falls out. She thinks it’s disgusting. |
If you’re going to save hair, you should at least put it in a plastic bag or something. I know parents who saved all their kids baby teeth as well, but at least they put them in a jar or something. Saving the pregnancy test, is a little disgusting because I’m sure it’s riddled with bacteria, but again, if you keep it in a sealed plastic bag or something, then no harm done. I’m just not sure why anyone would want that. There’s nothing personal about it for the kid at all. It’s just a piece of plastic coated in mom’s urine. Fun! |
NH, what is a spinet? |
Yeah, Mcq, that’s basically what dawned on me recently. Although it is sealed in plastic….. NH, what happened when you were pregnant? |
spinet = snippet |
Ah, just a typo then. I was wondering if there was a word there that I had never heard of. |
Boy, that would be the rare word. Marta, nice to know you’re out there :) |
annegb, lets just say if it wasn’t for the medical diagnosis I would have been a casebook definition for bulimia (minus the whole “omgosh I’m fat, must lose weight” mindset). Lost 30 pounds in the process, but gained that and 10 pounds back before labor kicked in. I believe now I weigh 5-10 pounds more than I did before getting pregnant–I don’t own a scale, get too obsessive with numbers. Sorry about that MCQ, dictionary.com tells me it’s a small upright piano though. |
Been there. Been there, done that. I hated being pregnant, was never that glowing pregnant woman brimming with health. Lost so much weight at the beginning that I never really gained any weight. So sorry. |