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I am somewhat going through that right now. 2/3 of the Bishopric is made up of hardliner micromanaging brethren, including the Bishop. I am the Ward Mission Leader. I want to quit my calling except there isn’t anyone around to take over as everyone is busy with their callings or whatever. They don’t approve of really anyone coming to church and joining and it’s fruitless for the elders to work all week and then their investigators aren’t “good enough”. I feel so micromanaged by the Bishop and his wife and I hate it. They are hot to trot about this building cleaning venture and I simply quit on that score because I feel suffocated. I to am looking for ideas an how to survive church!! I look forward to the responses to your situation! |
Wow, that sounds like a ridiculously difficult situation. I don’t have advice. Forgiving is difficult, especially when the original action has echoing effects. I think all you can do at this point is rise above them (in a righteous way, of course). That is very much easier said than done. Good luck. |
Wow, I would be pretty mad, as well. In fact, I am mad. Any advice I could give at the moment involves asking God to give people kidney stones, so I’ll ponder this a bit. |
Steamtrain – Exactly. I so completely understand it is heartbreaking. I am dried up and washed out right now by dealing with this same exact thing. Surviving Church. That is exactly how it feels. |
This tells you how bad it was in this ward. During our time there my son was diagnosed with a rare cancer. For six weeks while we were shuttling him back and forth to medical specialists, trying to get a definitive scope on the cancer, we didn’t tell anyone in leadership at church. There was no point. We had no home teacher (because our ward had a policy of not having home teachers for active families) and my VTs were dysfunctional women who weren’t going to be helpful. After the cancer was declared clear and no further treatment was needed, we finally told the bishop. He said “Well, glad that worked out.” That was it. We got more emotion from our mailman when I gave him a popsicle on a hot day. |
On behalf of all PH leaders everywhere I’m sorry you had such poor leadership. I am a little surprised ther wasn’t enough noise made to the SP to cause a release. However no one should be able to so greatly influence your happiness in life or the church. I say forget about them. Move on. Cut off all semblances of contact like Facebook and other social networking sites. As your children get older I bet you’ll look back at how crazy that family was and be thankful you live a normal life. |
Liz – Your story makes me mad on so many levels. I have to agree with IDIAT, cut off all contact. What makes me the most mad is hearing about how this ex-bishop was flaunting his new lifestyle while mocking his old. That kind of attitude disgusts me. If he wants to march to his own crazy beat, fine. Good riddance. But he has no right to mock those who choose to live differently. annegb – I like you. Your posts make me smile. I’m storing the “Kidney Stone Curse” away for future use. |
I’m sorry, that’s some rough stuff. Although it sounds cliched, ”Holding a grudge is like taking poison and going the other person dies.” I think that people who who obsess over the letter of the law while disregarding the spirit of the law are more susceptible to doing a 180 and leaving the Church in spectacular fashion. |
I hope my post didn’t sound callous or dismissive, because I’d definitely be mad too :) |
I think this is happening A Lot! A sign of the times perhaps? I too am dealing with simular issues in my Ward. (I’m currently in a ward where the members are at war with eachother due to leadership issues its so bad that people are quiting callings and NO ONE is being called to fill those positions!) My advice for what it’s worth is to remember that no one is perfect we are all human and Satan knows how to push us till we break if we let him. Sometimes its best to focus on our personal relationship with our Lord and the Gospel and less on those who make up the Ward/Stake Leadership. I pray for my Ward leaders daily (which is hard as right at the moment I’m very irritated with several of them) and I pray for my own heart to be softened towards them. I also pray that I and my Family can endure this current challenge and in the end Help our Ward return to the peaceful Ward it used to be. Sounds to me that your former Bishop and his Fam had a weakness for POWER and when they realized that he soon was going to lose that POWER they went crazy. I feel sorry for them for they knew the truth and have turned thier backs on it…. I would not want to be in thier shoes when they have to face Father…. Heck half the time I dont want to be in my shoes either. |
This is a great example of why we need a full-time, theologically-trained, pastorally-focused, professional, local clergy in our church. |
#9 Michael- Really? That is the last solution I would have thought of. Probably because I know several pastors and Catholic Priests very well and I know they are just as wacky as everyone else. Nothing about their being professional minsters has helped them with their personality failures. |
Being angry and upset is a perfectly natural and normal reaction, and also perfectly wrong. I’m not saying it’s easy, it may be the hardest thing you ever have to do, but you have to let it go. One thing that might help you is to remember that that bishop has chosen the wrong path (while being bishop and now as he and his family left the church) and they are going to suffer terribly because of it before they painfully repent of their choices and try to take the hard road back. They may not ever make it back but sooner or later they will absolutely bitterly regret the choices they have made. Would you rather be in their position or yours? Rather than be angry, pity them and pray for them. |
Michael, that solution is the worst one I have ever heard. Congrats. |
I feel you on so many points. If ever in your life you need a good bishop, it’s as a teenager. I was lucky there, sorry your kids weren’t. It’s too bad that guy was a knucklehead. God will deal with him (and us all)–just move on. There is no recourse, and I would guess that any further info you get about them will only enrage you more. |
I have to agree with most of the others here. If I saw that guy in the street, I’d tell him its a lucky thing my religion brainwashes me to be nice, because I’d like to punch him in the gut for being an a**hole… God doesn’t call to the high up callings, in case you were wondering. Here is my advice, and it may sound cliche, and it is some of the hardest spiritual/emotional medicine in the world to take, so I’m not giving it tritely. Pray for them. Ask God to bless them, sincerely, specifically, and without qualification. Do it day after day until the pain goes away. I’m guessing if you are like any other typical person, you won’t want to do this. Putting an enemy in a prayers next to the names of those we love is downright mentally repulsive. I’ve only ever done it three times in my life, and it was for people that I absolutely hated, and I had to put myself through the motions at first because I didn’t want to so badly. Like I said, it is tough medicine, but I can say from experience that it will heal you faster and better than anything else. And it’s about the surest way I know of to feeling that no matter what else, you stand right with God. |
I’m so sorry, that’s a hard thing to come to terms with. When my husband was a teenager, his ward’s bishop and RS president had an affair and ran off together, and the repercussions of that still ripple in that ward twenty-five years later. It’s certainly frustrating to have hypocrites for examples, especially for the youth, but the flip side is that we’re all human and the church is filled with sinners who hope to become saints. For me perhaps the bigger question is about the higher leadership–I start to wonder if the SP was inspired to call him in the first place, or why didn’t he have the discernment to make a change. This bothered me quite a bit in the situation with Apostle Richard Lyman’s excommunication in the 1940s–why couldn’t the other apostles sense the unrighteousness there and call him on it sooner? The peace I’ve made with that is that Joseph Smith and even Jesus were surrounded by men who betrayed them, close friends even, and it must eventually just come down to individual agency. |
God is already punishing that former bishop. He has lost the gospel. And there is a good chance he’ll lose his wife too. Sometimes, dufuses are called to leadership positions as a test for the members of the ward. The Lord was testing YOU, to see if you and the other members of the ward would stay true EVEN IF you had a less-than-perfect bishop. If you are still active in the gospel, then you passed the test. You eeren’t the first ward to have a problem bishop. The guy also reminds me of me, when I became a district leader in the mission. I turned into an a-hole rule-Nazi. And after I got back, I lasted a year before going inactive, and eventually requesting name removal from the church. I used to think I put up with so much at the hands of other elders in my mission. Now I realize how much they were putting up with me. It took 15 years, but it was just like MCQ said, a very painful repentance process, regret, and crawling back. You make it better by realizing you passed the test. You make it better by resolving to complain about bad bishops to the SP. (If enough people complain, he may get a clue.) You make it better by raising your hand (at ward conerence when ward leaders are sustained) in opposition instaed of sustaining someone whose behavior you don’t approve of, as long as you have concrete examples you can point to. You make it better by realizing that everybody, even those going to the telestial Kingdom, eventually repents in the Spirit World. Even those who have to suffer for their own sins, like in Section 19, still eventually repent, before they are resurrected and go to the Telestial Kingdom. You make it better by realizing that Jesus paid for all the hurts and wounds of all victims in the world, he paid to heal us all, not just to pay for the sinners’ sins. When you can accept that the atonement pays the price for your tormenter’s sins, then that is when the atonement also starts working to heal your wounds that your tormenter caused. Most of us have a false understanding, or a childish idea of forgiveness. Many of us have been trained by our parents to think that forgivenes is pretending that the offenses didn’t happen, or that the offenses didn’t hurt, or didn’t matter , or that they weren’t really offenses or sins against us. That’s false forgiveness, and just pretending. I think true forgiveness is accepting Christ’s suffering as payment in full for whatever sin is committed agaisnt us. Once we do that, then the other half of the atonement kicks in, and the atonement starts to heal the victim’s side of the sinner/victim transaction. |
Wow, Bookslinger. Awesome. You nailed it. |
Michael is onto something. |
The Lord was testing YOU, to see if you and the other members of the ward would stay true EVEN IF you had a less-than-perfect bishop. To the extent that we must stay true despite the less-than-perfect circumstances that prevail at all times and in all places, then sure, it was a test. However, I could not disagree more strenuously that the Lord would purposefully install a chump as bishop to test, say, the Hawkeye 6th ward. Sure, the Lord has a better idea of what LiZ et al need than some armchair quarterback, and opposition in all things and all that, but it’s a mistake to attribute all of life’s up and downs to a carefully orchestrated plan. This regrettable situation makes better sense in the light of libertarian free will where the Lord, not knowing an unknowable future, granted his servants wide latitude to act as they see fit and prove themselves faithful (or not). I do agree with MCQ that your thoughts on the atonement do nail it, however. |
We are extremely comfortable with General Authorities at the higher levels of church governance working full-time with a church stipend in managing the upper levels of the church’s corporate structure but we find it very uncomfortable to allow the same at the lower-levels of stake and ward leadership where direct pastoral care is most intense and time-consuming. Very strange conundrum. Modern life has changed significantly in the past 60 years and the expectation that volunteers on the local level are equipped to handle the pastoral function of our wards and stakes is absurd. |
Are you more upset he left the Church and appears to be reveling in his nonmember activities or that he was a letter of the law kind of bishop? There are plenty of bishops like the guy you describe complete with sanctimonious wives and crappy kids who make Church uninviting for some but go on to become Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents and worse. Would your opinion and hurt be different if this guy and his family had stayed in the Church? That said, the advice here has been outstanding, imo. |
I would still be completely annoyed with him and his family. I can say that with full confidence because I give credit for the spirit-killing to have been condoned by the Stake President, who many had problems dealing with because he was an ex-military letter of the law type. The Stake Pres. has since been promoted up the chain and is now roaming the country side in leadership over several states. I wouldn’t drive out of my way to hear him speak. |
#3 annegb – Love, love, LOVE your posts, anegb! #11 MCQ – Wow. I often don’t agree with you, MCQ, but, on this, we’re on the same page. |
I don’t consider myself much of a “Molly,” but I would suggest starting with asking the Lord to help you want to get past this and to want to forgive. For me, developing the desire to forgive is often harder than the process of forgiveness itself. In my old ward where I served as RS Pres. for a short period of time, I worked with a Bishop who eventually developed a drug and alcohol problem and then defrauded a bunch of his clients out of thousands of dollars. At the same time, his wife would brag about her huge Tiffany’s diamond ring, their big cars, and brand new home (all bought with other people’s money). They eventually left the area and were arrested several times for DWI and endangering their children (who CPS removed for a time) in another state. Now, they’ve moved all the way back across the country to the area again and most members know nothing of their past. This would be fine except they supposedly had their moving truck stolen on their way here and local members provided them with a whole new apartment full of furniture and clothes and cash to help them get their feet on the ground. Then (surprise, surprise) the brand new washer and dryer they were given were also stolen from their apartment. And yet, they use the church for ongoing support while very few are aware if their “con-man” past (and, I’m guessing, present). My point? This enrages me. They’ve been back for a year (thankfully not in my ward) and I’m just now able to talk about them without getting completely riled up. It takes time to forgive and let old wounds heal. So give yourself time. Bookslinger is right. Your former Bishop and his family are already paying for their choices. Try to be grateful that this man is no longer in a leadership position and causing harm. I wish the family above had just left the church… As it is, I’m keeping an eye on them and informed my Stake Pres. of their past exploits when they started asking our stake for assistance. Good luck! |
This is a terrible story. I feel for everyone in your ward. Dealing with lousy leaders can be a difficult challenge. As far as advice is concerned, IMO, the advice given has been superb. I would like to add one thing. Don’t let this man and his family have any power over you. The more time and energy you give this, the more power they have over you and the less you possess. Do what ever you have to do to let it go. It literally can become a chain around your neck. Don’t give them (or Satan) the satisfaction. Don’t go to their level. Rise above it. Good luck! ps I must agree, annegb, I love your posts. And Bookslinger, wow! |
Bishops aren’t annointed. Neither are Stake Presidents. Not sure the title of your post, and the scriptural connection you are implying, are relevant here. Just sayin’… |
#21 rbc, that’s an interesting question. You didn’t ask it of me, of course, but I had a sort-of similar situation. I reported a guy who’d abused a child (I know I’ve talked about this before, but that’s not my point) sexually, for years. He denied it, the bishop rewarded him by making him an elder but he never really came to church and I heard he’d joined an evangelical group and kept drinking, etc. What I want is an admission from the bishop that this guy is a creep. I know that will never happen, but still…….. So, to me, this guy’s behavior is validating, but I would be so having a conversation with the (now) area president. The bishop I’ve spoken about here is a good person, but we’re all dumb at times. I haven’t had the opportunity to say “I told you so” but you better believe I will say it sometime. But now I’m really mad at Liz’s leaders. Must. Meditate. |
One bad leader, as evidenced by your post, can do tremendous damage. No question there. And I have no insights into how to better forgive. I used to think that I was good at it, but––boy howdy!––was I wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I think perhaps the ability to really forgive can only come to us as grace, a spiritual gift. And I have no idea how to balance the need to protect oneself with forgetting and letting go of the hurt. Do I have to keep putting myself in a position to get hurt, again and again? Can I cut ties altogether? I don’t know. However, I do feel a little sympathy for your ex-bishop. As someone who is in the process of stepping away from the Church, I wonder if his focus on the “letter of the law” might have been the same kind of last-ditch do-everything-perfectly-by-the-book effort that I made to try and revive a collapsed testimony. It didn’t work for me either. (I am not saying that this is an excuse for behaving like an uber-ass putz-monkey, as he seems to have done.) The narrative that greater obedience/good works will fix everything was pretty powerful in my experience, and when it failed it left me feeling doubly betrayed. I’m sorry that this process has been so painful for you and yours, liz. And, fwiw, I’ll be praying for you (though maybe the prayers of an apostate don’t avail much). |
Peter LLC, #19. Thanks. I think the scriptures and the GA’s have always been clear that Heavenly Father does know the future. (Jesus has a subset of that knowledge, for example, having said that only Heavenly Father knows the hour/day of the 2nd Coming.) That knowledge is not allowed to come into our 3-dimensional world. And as we are limited to 3 dimensions and linear (temporal) time, our minds can’t grasp how Heavenly Father, who can move between this 3D universe and higher (dimensional?) realms, can see all of our space and time at a glance. (I suppose that Enoch and Moses were given temporary access to that higher dimension, when they were temporarily given the ability to see _every_ particle of the earth, and _all_ souls who appertain to it.) I think it (knowledge of the future) stays in the higher dimensions, where Heavenly Father can look down upon our 3 dimensions, and our time-line, like Carl Sagan looked down on “flat land” on the table in front of him in his famous video. (Search “Carl Sagan Flatland” on Youtube.) Smart people tell us that mathematically and theoretically speaking, there are more dimensions than our 3D and our notion of time. The way I’ve read some theories, there really has to be more dimensions to explain how matter behaves. I think some version of that must be true as heavenly beings have been known to ‘pop in’ to rooms without using the doors. Sagan made an analogy to how a 3-dimensional person would seem to “pop in” to a 2-dimensional world. ======== I suppose there are other possibilities in addition to “just a test”, either/or, or at the same time. I’m just throwing these out as possibilities, not saying any particular one applies in LIZ’s case. 1. Maybe the ward didn’t have any better leaders available. 2. Maybe the Lord wanted the best male leaders to be in the youth program: YM leader, deacons/teachers/priest advisor/teachers, scout-master, or called to stake positions. 3. Maybe the ward members were so good and righteous, that they didn’t need a better bishop, so the better men got used as #2. 4. Maybe the ward members were so bad and wicked that they didn’t deserve a better bishop. 5. Maybe the Lord has future purposes in mind that we can’t see (yet), and in order to accomplish those long range/future purposes, He decided that that man and his family needed to get out of the church (at least temporarily); and making him bishop caused him to leave at the right time. (And the Atonement would make up for any collateral damage.) 6. Maybe the members who were challenged by him, needed to be challenged in that way in order to grow to where the Lord wants them to be. (And the Atonement would make up for any collateral damage.) I don’t really know. But based on how I’ve seen the Lord operate in the past, and how he operated in the scriptures, I’m just throwing those out as possibilities. |
#29 – Or maybe the Bishop was a kook and no group of members (because it would take a group, not just one person) was smart enough to band together and approach the Stake President with the problems in how the ward was run. Or maybe Whistle blowers in church are treated the same as whistleblowers in the real world (IE Penn State) and all it would have done is put those people on a list of Dangerous Members. Who knows? I don’t see any examples of how to get rid of a bad bishop that really work, without major collateral damage. |
As far as getting rid of a bad bishop, the one case I know of required multiple visits with the Area Authority Seventy over the area in question, and it took many months. I think it was more than a year once the ball got rolling… slowly. And it took many months/a few years of badness on the part of the bishop before the Area Authority was even approached. Though if your bishop was following the handbook to the letter, as the OP suggests, it seems it would have been tough to make a case that he needed removed. Violations of the letter of the law tend to be clearer than violations of the spirit. |
Anon – I think you are very right. The problem wasn’t that the Bishop wasn’t following the rules. He wasn’t following the Spirit and that is not against the rules. |
We had a ward similar to this several years ago. On my office wall I have my diplomas from BYU, so naturally I would get the questions “Are you from Utah?” and “Are you Mormon?” I would answer yes, and change the subject. I had plenty of opportunities to introduce people to the gospel, but I didn’t want to inflict my bishop on any of my friends. It is ironic that, now my wife has passed, I have been offered a promotion that will take me back to the old state. Not the same city, but I will be in the same city as the temple, so the odds are pretty good that I may see some of the old “gang.” The chain of events that led to my being offered the job is so improbable that I see it as God opening the door and kicking me through it. Part of me thinks I need to go back so both sides can finish the repenting/forgiving that wasn’t complete when we left. |
My son’s patriarchal blessing tells him he will have church leaders who will try his faith. That has happened with a bishop who mishandled marital problems in my son’s life. But I can never criticize a bishop. What a thankless job! Bookslinger, your first post was powerful. I really admire you. |
So tragic when a leader is destructive like this. I was in a branch that had been seriously harmed by a Branch President when I was on my mission. I don’t know what you do other than to try and forgive and pray for guidance. Does anyone have any “success stories” so to speak, relating to any intervention in a situation like this? |
First I’d like to say I’m sorry you are mad. Next I’d like to let you know that you choose to be mad, you choose to be sad, you choose to be whatever YOU choose to be. No one controls that but YOU. Let your ex-Bishop live his life and you should do the same. It’s not worth worrying about anyone but you. Your children will be fine because this isn’t the end of their beliefs. They are still trying to figure things out just like the rest of us. Your ex-Bishop may have discovered something you haven’t yet and he’s happier than he was prior. Seems to me that you are hurt, but shouldn’t allow the hurt to sink in. I’m sure he’s happier now. The advice about praying that God would give him kidney stones is exactly opposite of what your supreme being would want. The best thing is to have an open thought process and love everyone. Think of it this way, his family is together and not split up. The family unit is the most important thing in this existence. If you remain bitter and angry/mad, then you may break your family unit apart and hold your ex-Bishop at fault when in reality you will be at fault for harboring those feelings. Anger is the root of all mishaps in life. I’m not criticizing you, but merely giving advice as you stated you wanted. The more open you think about this and let go of your anger, the better you will feel. Good luck and I hope all goes well for you and your family. |
I haven’t read the other comments and I certainly cannot tell you what to do! I just wanted to say, first: I’m so sorry for your feelings of anger. I cannot even begin to fully understand! #2: anger is a cover emotion. I’m sure you know that to get past/overcome the anger you have to allow yourself to know how you really feel, accept that, and eventually move into Peace. #3: I want to offer a suggestion that may or may not help… this suggestion is a way of considering a part of the situation more than any action you can actually take. Suggestion: maybe the son who is not interested in the church currently is meant to be away from the Gospel at this time. I know, how could someone say such a thing? Well, I was away for around 10 years. During that time I married a non-member. I have since learned that he really is the man God intended for me from before my life here on this earth. I cannot imagine a way we would’ve ended up together if I’d been a good Mormon attending church. #4: and this is the lamest, but perhaps most true for your sitation (and all difficult times): what doesn’t kill you WILL make you stronger ONCE YOU get past yourself of the sitation and see God in it. And even in the crud you’re dealing with (fallout from the 5 years), God IS there. I know you know it. I hope you’ve received LOADS more applicable and helpful comments than mine! :) |
Thanks, Tori. Of course my anger at the Bishop is focused on how the situation affected my family. To be honest I’m not worried about my son. He isn’t rebelling or screwing up his life in any way. I have peace in my heart about his future. He will be fine. |
Well Any advice I could give at the moment involves asking God to give people kidney stones, so I’ll ponder this a bit. is a good start. You could pray for them. Maybe not kidney stones, but pray for them. Bookslinger — so very, very often there just is not anyone else available who will take the time the calling requires. I spent years in a stake that suffered from that problem. Both at the bishopric level and at the stake level. A lot of anguishing went on about trying to find people who had the time available to serve. You really hit the point there. CS Eric — I wish you the best. God is already punishing that former bishop. Amen. |
Perhaps you are mad at the wrong people. Don’t talks like “The Unwritten Order of Things” by Elder Boyd K. Packer re-enforce the ‘by the book (written or not)’ attitude? Ask yourself has the church leadership become more or less ‘by the book’ over the last several decades? |
By professional, Michael (#10), I presume you mean a paid ministry including bishops, counselors, etc… This is a horrid idea. I’d espouse the reasons why but suffice it to say we already have trained professionals at LDS Family Services. I’ve been there and for the most part they do a great job. Additionally, many LDS leaders do inspired work in the scope of their callings and service—the key word here being service because that is an eternal principle in line with the Savior’s example of service and sacrifice. |
Some great advice here. Bookslinger’s piece was powerfully insightful and those who have been through it have a unique perspective, so thanks, Bookslinger, for teaching us more about the atonement, which is really the solution to all our problems, isn’t it, IF we sincerely come unto Him. FF42, I’m not sure an examination of our leader’s sermons is even remotely helpful… I have been exposed to a wide array of church leaders through the ecclesiastical system. I can say with confidence that most of us would agree that bad leaders are an exception to the rule, but it happens and it will continue to happen, given the power of Satan’s influence in the world. Having said that, You have every right to be mad. But remember NONE of that is or was about you. It has everything to do with them and their poor choices, and then leave it at that. God does not follow a “Minority Report” formula where righteous men are bypassed because of their future sins. If that was true, then Judas wouldn’t have ever been called, nor would many apostles under Joseph Smith. Despite woeful human frailties, righteous men are given opportunities to prove their faithfulness, even leaders, and their faithlessness will inevitably have consequences to the degree of their calling. Unfortunately, one of them happened to be your ex-bishop and his wife, thereby exacerbating their negative influence on a ward level. Their negative actions and inactions then becomes a trial of how you and your ward members will respond. From your account, it looks like you did your best to pass this adversity and I applaud you for that. And you didn’t lose your testimony in the process. Brilliant! But still your anger remains… So what do you really want? What would dissipate the anger in your heart? Think about that for a second. Want the ex-bishop to apologize for the hurt and agony he caused you and your children? Probably not going to happen. While he swills his Bud Light in a bar, he probably doesn’t know nor really care. Therefore, your anger is hurting you more than anyone else. Perhaps it’s time to let go and find that peace. Live and let live. You live your way the best you know how and let the ex-bishop and his wife go their ways. Then apply that to your Stake President as well. It’s very difficult to see absolutely objective when you are familiar with your own ward members. And clearly, that affected his judgment. I bet this would be true for most of us. To be fair, I’m sure in your position I would be angry, yes, but I would hope to remind myself that it’s not personal. Again–not about me. Yes, it’s sad your children don’t have the many positive influences you had in your childhood, but it is what it is, and like you said, they will be fine… right? I hope I would continue to stand in holy places, like you are doing, and continue to teach the gospel to my children. My children are dependent on me for spiritual knowledge and guidance, not upon the bishop, the stake president, the elders quorum president, the apostles, or anyone else… ME! It is also my responsibility to emulate the Savior who did not rail at Judas nor the Roman soldiers, but instead pleaded, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” I would hope that I would draw closer to my Heavenly Father in that time of trial, because if I do so, then He will draw closer to me. |
Sometimes, honestly, what I really want is just to slap people, without consequence. Several times. |
I rescued an old comment from the spam filter, LIZ, about your son’s cancer. Of course this makes me livid. (how your ward acted, not the spam filter, which I also am not speaking to). I lived in one ward that was kind of like that. I think the only thing we can do with that kind of insensitivity is to not pass it on. |
>> I wouldn’t drive out of my way to hear him speak. The phrase you’re looking for is, “If he was on fire, I wouldn’t walk across the street to p*ss on him.” That’s probably not helpful, so I will try to balance it by reporting that I have been through the experience of praying to be able to forgive someone, and it helped. I was never close to him again, but I was able to interact with him without fear and loathing. |
Bruce, is that my father you’re talking about? |
All that is unfair about life can be fixed through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. My heart goes out to you and your family. |