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I loved that. I had seen it making the rounds, and had put it off. I think I liked it because he wrote it accurately, warts and all. Those experiences on the youth trip? While I might not have struggled with disbelief or unbelief like he did, I do remember seeing others think the same thing. I do remember seeing others stand on the proverbial rock, tears in their face, trying to comprehend what was going on. I really, really, really liked that. |
I really enjoyed this article. I don’t know why he calls himself an ex. he is probably closer to the Church than a lot of people who are “active”. The kindness of the folks who let him stay with them in California and the handshake symbol on the temple say it all.For those who condemn us for whatever reason, remember the words of Jesus: By their fruits… |
Amazing story by Walter Kirn, which is not really surprising because he is an amazing writer. The stories from youth trips resonated particularly accurately for me, especially the making out in the back of the bus part. The funny part, to me, is that he continues to resist the pull of the Church even though he clearly still believes in some part of himself. I love his story, but more than anything I love his writing. |
Brandt – I can certainly relate to a lot of it as well and it is nice to be reminded of the good parts of what I am part of as I sometimes forget amongst the other trappings. MCQ – he is a great writer. I cannot relate to making out in the back of the bus, but I wish I could :) |
I’d never heard of him before somebody posted a link to this on Facebook. Yes, well written. We hear a lot from former Mormons who hate the church, but there are Mormons out there who feel a bit wistful. |
I quite liked what he said. |
I think it’s more than a bit wistful. And I think it’s also true that a lot of former mormons use doctrinal issues as cover for the real reasons they left. Kirn is just the only one that’s honest enough to say so. This part is so honest that it’s heartbreaking, and just masterful writing:
What one of us hasn’t felt that at one time or another? And even if you are a descendent of pioneers, as I am, who doesn’t sometimes feel that as a burden as much as a benefit? Just being a good member is a difficult job. If it wasn’t for the actual, literal, impetus and help that the Spirit of God provides, I’m not sure any of us could or would be able to do it. I’m sure I couldn’t. In the end, it was probably Kirn’s inability or unwillingness to draw on that help that led him to leave, and I think that’s the most common real reason for leaving, whatever the stated reason might be. |
I completely agree, Mcq. Sometimes we just get worn out. |
I can identify with his line “This proximity to the sacred scared me off.” But the rest of his piece sounds to me like he didn’t accept the miraculousness of the church, as if he wanted to have a Parker/Stone (South Park) view that “Yeah, their beliefs are crazy, but they’re good people doing good things.” It’s as if he is sort of willing to play the Mormon game, but he doesn’t want to drink the Kool-Aid. |
9. I think lots of good people leave good things, IE – Church, Jobs, Marriages, Parenting, because they get tired. If they are lucky, years later they can see how their choices were shaped by the feeling of exhaustion saying they just couldn’t do it anymore. The harder part is to recognize the feelings of depair and darkness for what they really are: a physical body that is saying it can’t keep living at breakneck speed all the time, 24-7. I think we should be reminding each other than Jesus gave us the example of leaving behind the stress of life and going into the wilderness to rejuvenate. Not that I mean dump your life, just learn to recognize when its time to take a nap or vacation. |
Well, yeah, and more than that. We have a right to call on the guy who said:
We can ask him to prove it. I believe he will. |
I agree, Mcq. I also agree with you, LIZ. Being an active member can be exhausting. It demands sacrifice and service on a level required by no other Christian religion. Book, the elephant in the room. Are you afraid to drink the kool-aid? You are so spiritually eloquent and seem to have a strong testimony. Why? I think Kirn has a great love for our church, but he’s comfortable. Were he to act on his convictions, his life would change considerably. I’m comfortable in my life now as far as the church is concerned. After all my health and marital and neighborhood problems, I’ve drawn back. It’s incredibly peaceful to have something come up and know it’s not my job anymore. I’m not avoiding anything, I’m just at where I’m at. I think Walter Kirn might be trying to have it both ways. On the other hand, he did write a lovely tribute to our faith. With understanding, which doesn’t happen very often from former members. |
Book, I don’t mean to intrude on your privacy and wasn’t asking why you left the church. But my understanding has been that you hadn’t re-joined the church by your own decision. You could benefit us more from within, it seems. Without going into deeply personal matters, is there anything in Kirn’s (and others) decision not to re-join that resonates in you? |
annegb: good questions. The immediate or proximate reasons of not rejoining are confidential/private and shouldn’t be discussed except with those who have to deal those things. But there are reasons behind the reasons, and reasons behind those as well. Kind of like having to resolve a, so you can then resolve b, which is needed to resolve c. Layers. To use an example of layers that most people can understand: “Why are you so obese?” “Because you overeat”. “Why do you overeat?” “Because you’re addicted to food.” “Why are you addicted to food?” “Because it makes you feel better.” “Why do you feel bad?” “Because…” and so it goes. You can’t really fix it at the “just stop overeating” point. Those lower layers will just find another outlet point. I got the impression that Kirn doesn’t have a testimony, but he does suspect the church is true. His line about being scared of getting close to the sacred, makes me think he’s afraid of what would be required once he knows it’s true. Part of that is laziness, part is fear of failure, part is fear of success, and all that comes under the heading of self-destructive behavior; all of which I think many of us have plenty of experience with. Most of us have it to some degree, and all of us know someone who has a severe case. I’d bet you see plenty of it at AA. We spend our childhoods getting messed up by bad examples, and adults telling us (or leading us to believe) we won’t or can’t amount to anything, and then we so live as to carry out those expectations. Again, something you likely see frequently at AA. There’s an interesting book about fear of success. I think at the end of all those layers, at the center of the onion, one has to face and own up to their own messed-up-ness. (Again, part of the 12 steps.) Facing one’s own demon, and realizing that once you get past the layers of what other people did, or things you couldn’t have controlled, the demon is yourself. |
I’ve never been able to relate to the fear of success concept. My sister quotes Marianne Williamson, something to the effect that our greatest fear is being powerful. For me, not so much. That’s a whole other blog post. I’m going to take your response to mean that you have not chosen to turn your back on the church, for whatever reason. Walter Kirn, while writing so beautifully about us, has. I suppose that’s not politically correct and also kind of goes against my disdain for exclusion. But it’s clear he has made a choice. I’m not at a place of inner peace and understanding of all the (sometimes) chaotic discussion about NOM’s and the other highly charged issues regarding the behavior of church leaders, but I believe I’m experiencing a re-commitment to the church, warts and all. One can think very highly of Catholicism and have Catholic friends who one loves, admires and respects, and still not be a Catholic by choice. For whatever reason. I absolutely love the Presbyterians and feel comfortable in their chapel. I feel God there, but I’m not joining their church because I do not want to, based on my own spiritual needs. While the church and I have had a rocky relationship, the sad truth is I can say that pretty much across the board with every experience in my life. So, even though (sigh) a woman gave the closing prayer today and even though I chafe at many things, it’s for me. I’m going to assume that you have made a similar choice. |
Annegb – I’m sitting right next to you in the pew. I’ve had plenty of time to consider it and I am not going anywhere. All I know for sure is my life is better with the gospel than without it. It is not perfect and there is plenty I disdain about the past and present culture of the church. But when my life trials have hit and I am diving for cover from the flying debris, I always find my shelter within the gospel. |
I loved this! Thanks for posting it Devyn. |