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I liked your post until you used the loaded term “illegals”…twice! How offensive! “Shortening the term in this way also stereotypes undocumented people who are in the United States as having committed a crime. Under current U.S. immigration law, being an undocumented immigrant is not a crime, it is a civil violation. Furthermore, an estimated 40 percent of all undocumented people living in the U.S. are visa overstayers, meaning they did not illegally cross the U.S. border.” http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/02/05/why-does-fox-choose-to-use-loaded-term-illegals/160123 |
New York Times editorial writer Lawrence Downes says “illegal” is often “a code word for racial and ethnic hatred.” http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/05/opinion/garcia-illegal-immigrants/index.html |
My Dad grew up near Dachau and was 13 when the war ended and only learned about its existence years and years later. His Uncle was a communist prior to the war and Hitler hated Communists so this uncle was sent to a camp somewhere. At some point in the war the German MPs came to him and said that because he was a German national he could fight in the war or stay in the camp, he opted to fight and was sent to the Eastern front. While there he saw first hand how communism was lived and became disillusioned with it. Also he heard word that his wife had died and got leave to attend her funeral. After the funeral he was travelling back to the Eastern front and the German MPs caught up with the train. They said the Western front was collapsing and just randomly selected men to fight over there, the uncle was selected. So, he travelled over to the Western front. He and others went to the base camp and was told to travel up either a road or a river and you’ll meet your new unit and they did so. On route they ran into Americans and were captured and he was sent to the States for the remainder of the war. So essentially this uncle lost his wife was disillusioned by his belief system and was rounded by both the Germans and Americans. |
I you haven’t already done so, I recommend reading Timothy Snyder’s Bloodlands, which looks into why so much killing was done in certain areas and relatively little in others. Americans thought they had discovered the holocaust when they liberated Dachau et al, but they didn’t have a clue yet about what had happened farther east. |
Well, what’s the politically correct term, EW? I really want to know, because I don’t know what we’re supposed to call people who come to our country illegally so I don’t hurt their feelings. Honestly, do you think I give a shit what a New York Times writer, who I’ve never heard of, thinks? That doesn’t make it gospel. Listen, if people from Sweden were sneaking into America, and getting all the advantages the illegals were getting, I’d feel the same way. It’s not about the color of their skin, it’s about the content of their character. Why don’t you gripe about other countries, who would throw Americans out on a dime if they illegally went to their country and got caught??? The hypocrisy and double standard is laughable. I have a friend who is here illegally from Guatemala. She’s pretty cool. I still wish she’d come to America legally. Steamtrain, I’ve heard stories like that before. I’m sorry about your uncle. Still, I feel the German people could have—and should have—-stopped Hitler. And I believe that one reason they didn’t is they were hoping (like the Mormons in the recent election) that their time had come and Aryan superiority was going to prevail. War is hell. I have compassion for the German people and what they suffered. But what I feel for those who died and for those who survived Hitler’s attempt to eradicate entire races of people is beyond compassion or empathy. It’s agony. Thanks for the reference, Peter. I haven’t read it, but I will now. I also want to understand why the Romanians felt and did as they did and how they dealt when they discovered Hitler was out to exterminate the Gypsies as well. I need to study their history because I know very little. I’m speaking from a place of ignorance here. |
The book does go into Eastern European collaboration with both sides and against their own people, though I don’t recall if Romania is treated. |
annegb LatterDaySaints don’t like to face this question. Like so many others we tend to ignore it. It is easy because it does not appear on our horizon, and when it does, it is quickly shooed away. So we wonder why it was so easy to ignore the Gestapo’s knocks on their doors. I am a big booster of Judaism and Its way of life, but I cannot solve this mystery. Is this getting off you subject or not? |
Absolutely not! I’m rather mezmerized with all aspects at the moment. I don’t think it’s all about the Jews as far as the Holocaust is concerned. I think it’s about Aryan superiority and the awful economic state of Germany at the time. But—-Hitler doesn’t hold the patent on genocide. The Turks attempted to eradicate the Armenians. Stalin killed more people than Hitler! That was about power. Idi Amin, anyone? We have no idea how many black people were killed during the most active slave trading years, which lasted for centuries (and is still going on today). How about what the Spanish explorers did? And what happened to the American Indians? What is up with us bumping each other off? |
Wow! I can’t even believe you are defending yourself. No one with half a heart and half a mind thinks it is right to call them “illegals”. This is just unbelievable. Your pure ignorance is disgusting. I am not typically a word police. But the fact that you don’t at all get that “illegal” is dehumanizing and just plain wrong. “The AP Stylebook advises journalists to use “illegal immigrants.” But some journalists and news consumers say this term is dehumanizing and legally inaccurate. And because it’s a civil — and not a criminal — violation in the U.S., some argue that “illegal immigration” wrongly implies criminality.” NO ONE THINKS “ILLEGAL” OKAY. Use “illegal immigrant”, “illegal alien”, “undocumented immigrant”, “undocumented immigrant”, “unauthorized immigrant”, “immigrant without papers”,… THEY ARE ALL BETTER THAN “ILLEGALS” BY ANY STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DISGUSTING! IGNORANT! HATEFUL! Apparently you don’t give a shit what one NY Times guy thinks…but it’s not one NY Times guys. It’s in the NY Times Style Guide, in the Associated Press Stylebook,… NO ONE USES IT AND NO ONE SHOULD USE IT. Stop being an idiot and humble yourself and say you’re wrong!!!! See what your friend (the “illegal”) thinks. |
Anne, It’s not as clear cut as “what’s the politically correct term?” or “I don’t know what we’re supposed to call people who come to our country illegally so I don’t hurt their feelings”. If you really think “illegal” is the best term and not at all offensive then I am sorry for you….very sorry for you. I then truly hope this video can teach you and expand your mind. It seems you need it. |
EW: calm down. You are completely overreacting and making a fool of yourself. Behavior like that on any blog where I have admin rights would get you banned for life. annegb may be wrong to use that term, but she is a perma here and deserves some respect. |
EW- Sheesh! Go drink some milk and take a nap. Your inner two-year is cranky. |
I’m not offended. It’s rather difficult to offend me. EW feels strongly about this. Ew,I asked you what is the correct term because I really want to know. How do you refer to people who are here illegally? What irritates me (it’s rather easy to irritate me) is your insistence on backing your opinion with “this guy thinks so, too.” I hate when people have to back up their arguments thusly. I probably do it—although not often. When cornered, I tend to go guttersnipe and tell people they’ll My post was about my questions about certain things that happened in the Holocaust. We got side-tracked. Your position reflects the sense of entitlement that bugs me. I am an idiot. Hell, we all are sometimes. |
I second the recommendation for Bloodlands. |
EW, I would easily have made the mistake annegb made. But your response was over the top. Fine, I’ll just start saying “illegal immigrants” from now on. Thank you for educating us without using all-CAPS, multiple exclamation points, non-expletives, and a demanding/condescending tone. Brilliant. Feel better now? |
Political correctness = soft tyranny |
“Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil” by Hannah Arendt is an excellent and thorough analysis of the Holocaust and the psychology of how normal/nice people end up being not so nice. |
MCQ, I can’t believe you are defending anne and saying she needs to be shown respect as a perma given that she is using dehumanizing language. You defend this? If I hadn’t made a big deal of it my comment would have absolutely been overlooked. Evan making a big fuss I am told by by anne she doesn’t “give a shit”. How about respect to the people dropping by this site regularly. MCQ, you said if you had admin rights you would ban me for life. As as admin would talk to your perma bloggers and let them know such language is universally bad and the consensus of every major news outlet and reasonable person is that “illegals” should be avoided? Just wondering where your priorities are? Protecting your perma bloggers from strong, but correct criticism or banning those that object their ignorant use of the English language. Desert dweller, Political correctness=soft tyranny? or political correctness in this case = respect for individuals? Tiger, I admit I am over the top. Anne, You’re no idiot. I like 60% of your posts (I usually like them). I’m not sure how my position reflects entitlement… Unless I think all people deserve respect. “Illegals” have not committed a crime and are not criminals. Even those who argue that “illegal immigrant” is not a slur (as many do) do say they don’t use “illegal” as a noun: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/06/opinion/navarrette-illegal-immigrant/index.html |
I think this thread has some real potential if we want to apply ourselves to it. I wind up having more questions than I have answers, so I would like to ask a few. How is it that the occasional YW is seen sporting a Star of David necklace at church perhaps after having read a Leon Uris novel (Exodus or Mila 18)? Or Orrin Hatch doing something similar to commemorate the Holocaust and pointing out that extermination orders were once placed on Mormons and Jews. Is it that mixing of religion and heroism that so impresses us? What of the Church’s Jerusalem Center for Jewish studies (I might not have the name correct) which when established msde such a furor there that it almost caused a no confidence vote in the Knesset? What has the Center accomplished, or what new insights has it given us? Likewise a strange article appearing in the Ensign of Feb. 1994 entitled Tracing the Dispersion: New linguistic studies help tell us about the scattering of Israel by Terry M. Blodgett which tries to figure out how Hebrew influenced the languages of Europe. Granted, it was the Old Testament study course that year, but so much effort to take us where? Maybe we indulge in these pursuits without drawing any implications in order to say, “Oh that’s interesting.” Finally, how do you bring salvation to a nation that has “dwindled in unbelief” for so many centuries? I think of the Jews and the Lamanites. They started out having the Truth but later rejected it. Their children through the eons of time suffered immeasurably to almost complete destruction of the race. Then finally, the remnant are redeemed by the Restoration. That was the promise given, yet how do we LatterDaySaints relate to it? How can you go back in time and straighten things out? OK, we might have some ideas about that. |
True, other groups have suffered, but their suffering seems to have a beginning and an end. The Jews however, seem to have been under the gun from the beginning. Is their belief system and their exclusiveness the magnet for persecution? I think not. When they tried to make converts they were condemned. Also, condemned for not assimilating they were condemned when they assimilated. For them, there just seems to be no way out. Their problem is constant (with a few peaceful intervals)and cannot be attributed to apparent randomness – being at the wrong place at the wrong time. (Unless you believe as some theologies imply that there is no such thing as randomness or luck, that there is a purpose for everything that happens, then you must still admit that Judaism has more than its fair share of miseries.) So, stuck with being what they are, what is the redeeming virtue of all that persecution? Does intense suffering, especially from persecution, become a foundation for salvation that would not have happened otherwise? |
EW, you can’t make any point regarding respect for individuals when you approach it the way you did. How can you convince people to use language that shows respect for those being called illegal immigrants when you can’t even show any respect for the people you are talking to? Can’t you see the ridiculous irony in that? It’s like someone arguing against violence by clubbing someone over the head! If you can’t be respectful to those you are talking to, then your point is lost and you can’t be part of the conversation. You need to learn how not to insult people if you want to pursuade them that you point is valid. At this point, people just think you’re an obnoxious jerk. Why would they listen to you? If you want to discuss the point rationally, you also need to stop overstating your case. The fact is that some undocumented immigrants have committed a crime and are criminals. You are greatly exaggerating the facts here in order to get people to stop using a term like “illegals.” You say that term is dehumanizing and that’s a valid point, but terminology is far from the most important point on the immigration issue. Getting all upset about that seems ridiculous in the face of the actual life-threatening immigration problems that we have, so tone down the rhetoric and get over it a little. |
The beat goes on. How do we figure ourselves into all this? The suffering, the adversity as we like to call it, forms a common heritage of persecution between us and Judaism. Does anyhting positive come out of it? Obviously the old saw, if we endure it well, it will reaffirm our faith. It also reaffirms the faith of Jews and other beliefs in the same way. Going beyond, the Jewish situation it has been said, made them the leaven of the loaf of the medieval world. They did things for it that Christians were unable to do for themselves. They provided banking and financial services. They acted as go-betweens (diplomats) for disparate groups and kingdoms. They brought learning, scriptural wisdom, and trade goods to outlying areas. Additionally they were in the forefront of promoting parliamentary democracy and social justice which otherwise would not have materialized for many decades in Europe. Summarizing, they in effect became “the conscience of Europe.” When something untoward was imposed on them, it made headlines causing the Christian world to reexamine its conduct. The price of it? When times were good, the Jew must have felt unique in all the world for the service he could bring to it. But he always lived on the edge. A murderous pogrom could explode at any time. Futhermore, there were many poor Jews who had no clout at all. There was always enough suffering, but the Holocaust went beyond the Pale. (No humor intended) Take D&C 88: 78-9 To me, perplexity is the one word that describes Judaism. Yet the above verses challenge me. Gee, who does the Lord expect us all to be – Henry Kissingers? |
Kruiser, I’m going to need some time to digest and consider your questions and points. All thought-provoking. |
MCQ, |
ew, let me be very clear here: I still don’t give a shit what a columnist I’ve never heard of thinks. If your opinion isn’t strong enough to stand on its own, without needing others on your side, I don’t respect it. I respect that you feel strongly about this and maybe Mcq or others agree with you. I still don’t care. I have no regrets concerning my post or my comments here. You’re wrong, though, I’d have paid attention even if you hadn’t worded your comments strongly……although, “strongly” isn’t the adjective I’d use. I’d say “hysterically confusingly” with a dash of fear that your opinions are worthless unless supported by others. Stand your ground. YOUR ground, not that New York times guy’s ground. Your comments could use some editing; they’d be more powerful if they were written with more clarity, fewer words and less of a playground argument tone. “Am, too!” “Are not!” “Uh-huh!” |
EW- I’m noticing a pattern to your comment history. Not to be all nosey-posey, but do your moods go to extremes? Are you super-duper happy then super irritated then super creative? Do you ever stay up all night, fired with ideas and energy? |
You’re probably right, LIZ, plus I think hurt ew’s feelings. Most of the bloggers on the bloggernacle don’t cuss or allow cussing. I hope you don’t give up on blogging, ew, based on this. I have to say , though, I bet the group we’re bickering about is a lot more offended at my suggestion that they should enter this country legally than by my calling them illegals. |
Anne, thank you for your interest. Don’t worry about digestion, or you will get like me with lots of indigestion. I think that passage from the D&C creates a perplexity of its own. Do we see it as a commandment, or do we even look at it at all? The first verse is occasionally quoted but the second verse hardly ever. That may be just as well, for what relevance does it have for us? It like so many other esoteric passages appeals to the very few. Even if we learn the things it suggests, how would we apply it? We are supposed to apply what we learn right? Sign me up for the diplomatic corps. Oh, the lessons of history. What part does diety play in history? Is history controlled from the other side – then how? Perhaps people are sent to this earth to do certain things qualified by their pre-earthly character formation. Thus, things, sometimes amazing, happen when people put at the right time and place move history. That could be said of everybody who comes to earth. Each plays a part in some way to make something happen. The drama of life is orchestrated by us using our agency and by diety using foreknowledge. After all, the Lord has to guide each of us into one of the three kingdoms of glory. To paraphrase John Marshall, “We must never forget that it is a whole world we are expounding.” My favorite example is Abraham Lincoln. How could such a personality with such disadvantages rise to the occasion and save the Union along with freeing the oppressed? It just amazes me. On our current subject the same could be said of many. What of Thedor Herzl who was the father of Zionism, Chiam Weizmann, David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, and on and on? Their influence on the Jewish story is incalculable. The creation of the State of Israel, against all odds, with their heroism and pivotal miracles boggles the imagination. The mention of miracles implies divine intervention which caused things that couldn’t have happened otherwise – another part of the orchestrated drama? To what end? We all know the problems the State of Israel has had from the beginning. To conquer a small area and do it in such a benign fashion is unforgivable to their enemies. The hostility through many decades is increasing instead of receeding. I will not dwell on it further but ask again, no way out? To what future? That is very speculative from Judaism’s perspective, but they have some general ideas that I would like to mention. The book, Great Ages and Ideas of the Jewish People ed. by Leo W. Schwarz (1956) gets to talking about how Isaiah was the first prophet to attach a universal message to Judaism. Isaiah seemed to be concerned about the last days and how it would affect all peoples. The author makes an explaination and cites a passage that might interest us. It is taken from an English translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls so may be a little different in our Bibles. He begins: Then in a similarly themed book, Jews, God and History by Max I. Dimont (1961) in the final chapter the author reflects: Looks like we got some competition. Do we have answers? Talk to the YW wearing the Star of David necklace. You might not learn alot by talking, but the answer is there – she has it! |
Thanks Annegb. What’s up with the permabloggers on MM? Offering free advice…wow! I should be so lucky that MCQ and Annegb of the great bloggernacle would impart to me advice that my comments “could use some editing” and things that would make them more “powerful”. Nice try though Annegb…trying to string together a sentence to sound smart but instead be hysterically confusing yourself (“I’d say “hysterically confusingly” with a dash of fear that your opinions are worthless unless supported by others.”). FAIL. Once again you either show you have deaf ears, are willfully not listening to what I am saying, or are just..slow, but, seriously, how is it that you don’t understand that it is not just one damn NY Times writer. It is basically the standard of every journalistic news agency in addition to many individuals including myself. It is the consensus among so many people. But maybe your desire to ignore all that is a characteristic your treasure. Mmmmm…. But it also possible you just like saying you don’t give a shit what this one guy says. I’m not sure why you are dodging that. And dodging you are. The fact that you have no regrets is actually quite confusing..and a little sad. A few years ago I’d say I was a near daily MM reader. It was on my list of favorite links to check in the morning…right next to your favorite…the NY Times. But, alas, it’s been going downhill. I rarely check it out anymore. You were only so lucky that I stumbled across this piece. MM feels like a sinking ship to me. Many of the posts seem uninspired and rather bland. It has lost some of the intrigue. Maybe new blood is needed among the permabloggers. This bullshit of an argument from a seasoned blogger on the site is really just the cherry on top and a peek into what I believe is the disaster and dysfunction behind the iron wall. So sad…. |
P.S. I found it quite hilarious that you thought you hurt my feelings. Seriously? As if I am so defeated by the permabloggers that I would quit blogging all together. That’s really laughable and just shows the distorted worldview you have of yourself and influence. |
LIZ I think you’re right. Ew, are you a man? Just curious. I thought you were a woman until today. You’re right about us going downhill (DKL. See what you’ve done?) I disagree with your conclusions, of course. You’re biased and pissed off. I don’t recall ever seeing your comments before but I’m a bit senile. I thought you were new to blogging and didn’t want to discourage you. I still don’t. But until you modify your tone and clean up your writing style, I doubt you’ll get as much attention from other blogs as I’ve given you. But, you know, whatever. I tried. And you tried. You clearly feel strongly about the rights of immigrants. You were clearly offended by my off-handed use of a word you found politically incorrect. You didn’t convince me (you catch more bees with honey and all that). “I yam what I yam…” :) Going back to my original topic, if our country ever came down to the genocide of illegal aliens (say, Mexicans), I hope I’d have the courage to hide them in my basement. The fact that I call them illegals doesn’t negate my hope that I would do the right thing in the face of extremism and murderous intent on the part of authority. |
Amen Annegb. Amen. |
EW, just for the record, I am not a perma here. It seems you have a problem when you think that someone is giving you advice. But actually I wasn’t so much trying to advise you as to explain why your comments didn’t have the effect you might have hoped. You clearly are still missing the irony of your actions. But you have changed my mind on one thing. I don’t think you’re an obnoxious jerk anymore. I think you are mentally ill. |
Annegb, |
MCQ, |
Let’s be clear, EW: I don’t like you. I would ban you if it were up to me because you are either a troll or just a waste of time. Either way, I’m done with you. |
I’m definitely not a troll, but maybe a waste of time…as you are probably a waste of time to me. From this whole experience, I am surprised that not a single reader chimed in and supported me. Either the readership of this blog ignored this post, ignored me, is super-conservative, or is small in numbers. Whatever it is, I am surprised. |
I practice immigration law and spend most of my life trying to help people who are not in legal immigration status, and I feel, perhaps as strongly as EW, that using “illegal” as a noun is wrong. But I also think that EW has behaved like a complete imbecile, that he has ignored obvious invitations to explain himself, to come down from his self-righteous high horse and engage in reasoned discourse. So, annegb, let me give my explanation for why I find the term offensive. Maybe you’ll find it persuasive. To call people “illegals” is to reduce them to one characteristic, which tells us very little about them and hides any number of positive characteristics. They may be terrific parents, loving spouses, hard working employees or entrepreneurs, faithful members of their churches, people trying their best to provide a better life for themselves and their families, but “illegal” ignores all that and simply turns them into lawbreakers. There’s more to them than that. |
Hmm… I guess my comments are now being block. How sad…especially since the name calling was coming from the permabloggers and regulars. I guess it’s just an echo chamber. Outsiders not welcome. |
Your comments went to the spam queue. There were other comments in there, also, including one of mine and LIZ. Everything isn’t about you. What is the name of your blog so I can come over and behave badly. Thank you, Mark. I’ve never really paid attention to what immigrants are called. I worked with a girl who told me she was here illegally. She was an awesome person and is still here. I’ve never quite understood the charges of racism and bigotry I get once in awhile. It’s true that taken as a whole, my experiences with Hispanics have been less than ideal. When I was 12, we lived next door to a Mexican family in Long Beach and the mom was so vicious. She beat the hell out of my mother several times for no reason whatsoever. So I’m biased. But I put aside those biases in all cases where I meet minorities individually. You know, it is what it is. You have the advantage of meeting truly sincere individuals in dire circumstances and I applaud your commitment. Thank you for your reasoned response. I still hope I would have the courage to risk my life for the less fortunate. Although, I was thinking of my neighborhood and realized that there are a few people who would probably drive me nuts if I had to hide them behind a wall in my basement. It makes the sacrifice of those who did hide the Jews more pertinent to me. They did it, despite all the differences, biases and unfortunate personalities. Wow. For future reference, how would I properly refer to those who are in this country illegally? So as not to get my face ripped off again. |
Kruiser, I went through your comments and came up with these questions. “Why did it happen?” Well, hell, the answer to that probably lies in years of study and a doctorate. I believe the Holocaust happened because Hitler was a maniac but a master communicater and he happened to be in the right place at the right time for the German people to act out their dreams of Aryan superiority. The Poles, the Romanians, they hated Jews and were glad to help out. Why? I don’t exactly know. What do you think? “What part does Judaism play in our fields of reality?” For me, they are God’s chosen people and Jesus’ relatives. And I think about becoming a Jew for Jesus every once in awhile. I love their traditions. What part does it play for you? “Why didn’t Jews assimilate?” Many did, didn’t they? It seems, though, that no matter how far they go in changing their religion, in the long run, it matters not. But, say, a Chinese Budhist becomes a Catholic, they’re still Chinese. I get pretty confused when it comes to the Jews because I keep thinking all Jacob’s children are Jews. I’ve never gotten that straight in my mind. “So I would like to ask a few. How is it that the occasional YW is seen sporting a Star of David necklace at church perhaps after having read a Leon Uris novel (Exodus or Mila 18)? Or Orrin Hatch doing something similar to commemorate the Holocaust and pointing out that extermination orders were once placed on Mormons and Jews. Is it that mixing of religion and heroism that so impresses us?” Yeah, I think so. And a desire for many to stand up for the underdog. “What of the Church’s Jerusalem Center for Jewish studies (I might not have the name correct) which when established msde such a furor there that it almost caused a no confidence vote in the Knesset? What has the Center accomplished, or what new insights has it given us?” I do not have any idea about these questions, Kruiser. It does seem that we’ve been able to convince the Israelis (are they all Jews?) of our serious intent to honor their heritage. “How do you bring salvation to a nation that has “dwindled in unbelief” for so many centuries? “That was the promise given, yet how do we Latter Day Saints relate to it? How can you go back in time and straighten things out? We don’t.” I think that God created this unfair system as a way of helping us to grow; again, as prisoners in a cave, we can’t begin to comprehend in our finite life. “Is their belief system and their exclusiveness the magnet for persecution? I think not. When they
“How could such a personality with such disadvantages rise to the occasion and save the Union along with freeing the oppressed?” See above. “The hostility through many decades is increasing instead of receeding. I will not dwell on it further but ask again, no way out? Unless religion really is just the opiate of the masses and our attacking of others less fortunate is just our animal nature. |
Annegb- maybe call them Undocumented Workers? Or do what I do, say nothing out the fear of getting my face ripped of. |
Anne- Yes, all very excellent points you make. I have the same struggles that you do. Your original inquiry, I thought, deserved a more extensive reply, an attempt to see the big picture. But as we both realize, we still see through a glass darkly. Getting back to the young lady with the Star of David necklace. Of course they are all different, what few of them there are, so they will give you different reasons for their affectation. To find a common denominator there? I would say it is the spirit of thing. Now I have to try to define that – how do I get myself into these situations? Some time ago we had a discussion in High Priest’s. We were concerned about our youth and I, as instructor, tried to mix it up good and distill something out of it. What is it that motivates youth for good? I think it is the same things that motivate all ages. Youth just tend to be more honest and wear it on their sleeves. I came up with three areas of interest that seem to stimulate youth about a month after that meeting. The spirit of youth – maybe we all have it. Think of what their passions are. In entertainment there is the recent frenzy over the Twilight series. I didn’t see it, but I think I was told enough about it. And there have been many others like it. I think back to Harry Potter then way back even to Star Wars. It could still go on and on back to my youthful era, to the Lone Ranger and Superman and whoever. A common theme seems to be the Miraculous. Youth are attracted to having some supernatural power over events they could not otherwise control. Think of Star Wars (the Force) and all the others back to Superman. This is a mania that took me time to realize. I did not recognize it in my youth, but it was there. I became too grown up and out of touch with my roots. I first noticed it in my son. Along with that and closely related is the Heroic. They want to strive for the good in the way of a tremendous challenge. To overcome all obstacales that nobody else could, they reach for the stars. Even our scriptures feature those with great spiritual power accomplishing the impossible. Why wouldn’t our youth want to do the same thing? Finally, the Romantic. What that represents is all the beauty in life. The caring for the well being of others to the brotherhood of all striving for happiness even in a hostile world. We just naturally want to love each other in families, as spouses, as friends. This is probably the hardest to pursue given this, I don’t know what to call it, something world. Then about a week later I realized these three could be equivalent to another three. The Miraculous = Faith, The Heroic = Hope, and the Romantic = Charity. Come to think of it, the lesson that week had been about charity. If a youth goes far enough back through these movies and books, she might run into stories of the Holocaust, the creation of Israel, and even Anne Frank. I tackeled Anne Frank as a sophmore in college – the guys should read it too. Go far enough back then there is Fiddler on the Roof. This melding of religious faith with heroism, miracles, and romance. The result? I want to do what they did. I need to do what they did. So much for pipe dreams. Do we not see in history – patterns? History does not exactly repeat itself but it repeats general patterns. The same lessons are learned over and over again. Is it our turn to learn a similar lesson that somebody else experienced? I hope for challenging but good experiences, Israel rather than Holocaust. It will take courage Anne, something like hiding Jews in your basement. |
There we go Anne. I wrote you a nice long reply. I thought it was nice and I think you would have too. But it looks like it didn’t go through. Maybe it was not meant to be. |
There I go. I wrote #43, but it didn’t appear on screen. So I wrote #44, and it appeared. So I thought I lost #43. I went away on a long weekend and came back to it all intact. Funny things these digitals. History – yes again. Seems there was a big ruckus in France in 1893 where a Jewish officer in the French army named Alfred Dreyfus was accused of selling secrets to the Germans. The charges were trumped up and later proved to be false. When the story first broke it sent a rage of anti-Semitism through France fueled by various Jew haters. Strange for that time since France was on the forefront of ideas like human rights and respect for impartial justice. A secular Jew named Theodor Herzl, as a reporter for the Vienesse Free Press stationed in Paris, covered this “Dreyfus Affair” story. He was genuinely shocked at hearing the cries of, “Death to the Jews!” He decided then and there that the only way anti-Semitism could be checked would be for for Jews to have a nation of there own. He wrote a tract called “The Jewish State.” It electrified the Jewish world. From then on Theodor Herzl became known as the “Father of Zionism.” He spent ten frenzied years building Zionism before he died. Jumping off points in History. Theodor Herzl rode history through the Dreyfuss Affair until he decided to jump off and make history himself. Many more rode it through the Holocaust and decided to jump off. The same could be said of the American Revolution and so many other things. That Star of David necklace could represent alot of things. To me it represents a jumping off point. |
Miraculous, heroic, romantic…..that’s some awesome insight there. |
Anne, thank you for indulging me. I don’t know if this is where you expected it to go. I just have a few thoughts to close. We all ride the histories of our choosing even if it is no more than our own personal one. We hope to learn from them something to apply to our futures. Riding on this train of history, we may seek to jump off, not to abandon what we are but to enhance it. The scary part is choosing when and where to jump then deciding what to do after hitting the ground. The courage needed is usually not with us. For my own part, I have made a few small jumps in my life with mixed results. Using the theme of youthful idealism, I will try for a miracle, if not that I will be heroic, then romantic if that fails. Or, building it back the other way, romantic notions inspire heroic efforts which produce miraculous results. Silly as that may seem in this jaded world, it does work at times. Maybe once in ten is all we need. The movie “Les Miserables” is coming out soon. Talk about jumping off points. Daring the impossible. Heck, that is all we really have in life isn’t it? |