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Now, now ESO. Don’t be hurt, offended or even a tiny bit miffed. You must remember women have Mother’s Day. Even if you don’t have children, if you are lucky someone will mention the Eternal Nature of Womenhood. Its all good and just know that Women are appreciated every day of the year, even if we never show it and sometimes go out of our way to exclude women. Your post reminds me of a Youth Conference I had the joy of attending several years ago. It was held on a college campus and was supposed to be 3 days of intensive spiritual building for the teenagers. As a female adult leader I noticed one important thing about this insanely expensive, stake- budget- busting extravaganza. Oh, I do take it back. The stake YM President who organized the whole event and REFUSED to let the YW have a voice in it, did have his wife be the chorister for the Hymns, so there you go. One woman leading music. 3 full days and nights of church programing and not one. friggen. female voice. |
LIZ, that is a truly horrifying story. |
This is why women need the priesthood, without it they will never be taken seriously! |
Great post, ESO. Depressing, but very well said. |
Do you have any idea why this happened? I’d have confronted them. |
I am feeling really guilty because a high councilor had asked me to be his speaking partner for last Sunday, and I declined because I was not going to be in town. What if he asked several women and ended up with a male speaker out of desperation? Also, they often bring returned missionaries around as speaking partners. Up until now, there have been more male RMs than female, so that would tend to stack the odds in that direction, a dynamic that may be changing in 18 months or so. I was also shocked at #1. In our stake, Youth Conferences are always organized of a committee of both male and female, teens and leaders. The youth come up with themes, design t-shirts, etc. It has been a great leadership and organizational experience for them, that my kids put on their resumes. |
Our program never lists who’s giving the prayers or the organist/chorister. The prayers aren’t assigned enough in advancew. They do list the female leadership and often acknowledge RS service. And now thanks to my bitching women regularly give the opening prayer. I actually love the baby blessing. |
They asked me to speak next Sunday but I didn’t feel up to it. Oh and we had a missionary focused meeting. A woman spoke. I sit on the stand because I lead the music (depending on what’s scheduled I will sit with Bill during the talks. It’s quite interesting to watch the congregation. |
#4 “This is why women need the priesthood, without it they will never be taken seriously!” So the only way that women will be respected is if they become as much like men as possible? Let’s continue to ignore the service that RS does, pretend that having a baby is the same for men as for women, and only respect women who sit on the stand? That solves NOTHING, in my opinion. It is male-normative thinking that only further denigrates the contributions of women. A better approach is to appreciate what women do on behalf of the kingdom, that preparing a funeral luncheon is no less a form of service than dedicating the grave. To see a baby blessing as the one thing a father can do, since he can’t gestate or lactate, which are just as important contributions. |
I have to say I am a bit embarrassed for our Church leaderships when they fail to include or acknowledge the contributions of the women, which often far exceeds that of the males. See, that’s why we males need the priesthood—to keep us engaged in the Lord’s work, though the males may not always measure up. The women don’t “need” the priesthood; just some respect and gratitude for their efforts. This is more reflective of the failings of men, not the Church. My congregation does hear from female members quite often each Sunday via prayer or talks or music. Also, it’s certainly not a “man’s world” any more than it is a white world, seeing world, hearing world, or human world; people of color, the blind, the deaf, and animals live in it, too! The former labels are really about who is in power, and we should refute those labels. Just sayin’. |
More and more, I am feeling that the church is the place where I (hopefully) top off my worship and spirituality, so that I am ready to go make a contribution to the world outside the church. I have no inclination to hate or leave the church, it’s more a matter of logistics. If I have gifts, talents, and resources to offer, and there are aren’t any takers at church, then there are plenty of places outside the church to pitch in and help. |
In our stake, the female stake auxiliary presidents speak on high council Sunday along with the high councilmen. A few Sundays ago, we even had the family history center director (female) speak in one of those slots. |
OK, so I live in California, we of the Democratic Double Supermajority. And, of course, this is merely a single anecdote, and does not reflect on anyone elses’ experience. This past Easter Sunday, the opening and closing prayers in our ward were given by women. All three speakers were women. True, the Bishop read the announcements and conducted the meeting, and only the men administered the Sacrament, so it was not all women. No particular reason. The bishop had asked two women to speak, and Easter Sunday was when they were each available. The youth speaker: it was just her turn. A different member of the Bishopric had arranged for the prayers. |
That would never happen in my ward. |
ESO, for the most part I’m the same type of feminist that you are. I really don’t want the priesthood. I don’t think I want that on top of everything else I need to get accomplished, but I do have those moments where I think “really? Really? This is what you think of us?” and then I get sad and frustrated. I don’t know how to make changes. I don’t even know what changes I want made, but I do realize that there is a huge lack of acknowledging women/young women during Sacrament Meeting. I really don’t think that the advancement of the priesthood should be mentioned over the pulpit. Like you said, the only reason they advanced was because they had a birthday. Annegb, I don’t remember about the opening and closing of prayers, but there was one Sunday when the YW presidency spoke and they were all female. I’m hoping our new bishop isn’t as old school as the others were. He does have all daughters after all, although he did go on and on and on and on and on about donating to the BSA saying things like we need better men, yada yada….. so maybe not. Here’s hoping, though. |
Actually, two women spoke this Sunday! Well, three if you count the young woman who spoke. |
No men, either, only a deacon. |