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Plus the bar and casino would be repurposed into scrapbooking stations. I did read that some passengers organized a Bible study group which was very comforting during the ordeal. |
I love how optimistic you are about your fellow saints. There were mormons on that ship, but I don’t think any of them were able to make any suggestions on how to repair a burned out engine. Maybe if they were allowed to give the engine a priesthood blessing it could have worked. I am as impressed as the next guy with our powers of organization and the like, but I think we have to be a little realistic about our abilities too, lest we be perceived as obnoxious. No amount of organization can make up for no electricity or running water. |
Wow, got a bit of a superiority complex, do we? I’m honestly having a hard time determining if this was parody or not. If mormons were in charge of the cruise ship, any white middle class male would have been well taken care of and happy. My 4th year of girls camp, church policy had changed and we were supposed to use a church-owned camp, if at all possible, instead of a boy scout camp. So 3 stakes traveled 4 hours north to go to a “more appropriate for girls” camp with cabins and toilets and such. Some things just happen, and some things can’t fixed by priesthood power. |
Ok, ya’ll win. Mormons are no better than anyone else at organization, problem-solving and the like. I now amend my post to delete every reference to Mormon and will substitute Amish instead. Actually, funny story: The Amish are who I would want to be stuck on a broken cruise ship with. And as an added bonus, I could learn Pennsylvania Dutch. |
I think LIZ has a point. |
Which is what, annegb? That we Mormons are better than anyone else in a crisis? If that’s true, it lacks a certain grace to say it ourselves. Better to let others praise us, as has been done at times, than to blow our own horn and sound like braying jackasses in the process. |
Oh, settle down. You’re over-reacting. Nobody’s better than anybody. But Mormons are all about being prepared and we’re damn well organized (which, frankly, kind of bugs me). It’s conceivable that a cruise ship filled with Mormons would be pretty proactive in a case like this. I didn’t take what she said as bragging at all, mcq (and Anon). It was an idle speculation, based on how our religion works (which, frankly, bugs the hell out of me, “works”). Geez, everybody is so sensitive. It’s true, though, that we are as human as the next person and could go “Lord of the Flies” pretty quickly. You know, I’m an idiot. I took my daughter on a Carnival Cruise and I will never go on Carnival again. Oh, and it was spring break, too. AND I opted for an inner room with no windows. AND my daughter was coming off drugs. AND we went to Ensenada. That’s four days of my life I’ll never get back. I’m with the people who are about suing the hell out of Carnival. As to LIZ’s initial premise, it has to be true that a ship filled with observant Mormons in a crisis might weather the storm a bit better than a ship filled with spring-breakers. Then again, perhaps the same could be said for observant other faiths, too. Christians working together, instead of against each other. Why do you think Carnival didn’t have boats come in to truck people off the ship? It seems more could have been done. Anyway, get off your high horses, guys. And mcq, if we ever truly do have a civil war or all that apocalyptic stuff on TV, you better believe a lot of people will wish they lived in Utah. |
I can see some of the things Liz mentioned in the church. Collectively, Mormons seems more willing than the average person to be willing to step up and volunteer to help in a difficult situation. Or more willing than average to cooperate in a group when group efforts are needed. In a crisis, or in a difficult situation, the average person seems willing to sit back and let others do the hard lifting, or wait for someone to come to their rescue. Of course, LDS dont have a monopoly on busy-beaver helper-outers. Plenty of people are just as willing to step up and help or to cooperate. But I,m saying that it is more common to find such attitudes among faithful LDS than the population at large. I’ve seen bishops man the mops, and stake presidents help clean tables. And I’ve seen RS do their organizing thing with “germanic precision”, usually better organized than the man at the ward/stake level. So I agree with Liz. |
If you notice, no one’s disagreeing that we Mormons frequently show those mad skillz. I’m just saying it makes us look bad to say it about ourselves. |
I am as critical as anyone can be about Mormons, but I actually agree–I would opt to be stuck with Mormons anytime in an icky situation–I trust their organizational skills. Now if you would just be nicer and more inclusive of gay people, just think what we could add–we could probably keep the entertainment going and probably improve over what the ship offered. |
EMHMD: Did you just make a reference to a gay stereotype? ;) |
Guilty. |
I thought it was funny. I have a non LDS friend who has said they would rather be around the LDS in a crisis over anyone else. |
Exactly, JR. Like I said, a lot of people are going to be glad they live in Utah when Armageddon hits. |