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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by Kim Siever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 12:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Paroled. :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by Paroled from the Primary Presidency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paroled from the Primary Presidency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 11:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooo! I&#039;d love to hear (or give) a talk on &quot;How the gospel of Jesus Christ empowers women to be leaders in society&quot;! I&#039;m a big believer that the gospel and the church empower women in a variety of roles. But, I don&#039;t think all women in the church feel that way, and many women and men could benefit from hearing this message again.

Glad you got to highlight another favorite of mine. It irks me to hear the &quot;are you a &lt;i&gt;Mary&lt;/i&gt; or a &lt;i&gt;Martha&lt;/i&gt;?&quot; question (even when not posed exactly that way). In fact, there&#039;s a song on one of the Women of Destiny CDs entitled &quot;Foolish or Wise&quot; I can&#039;t stand to listen to because it references the Mary and Martha story and then transitions to the chorus with &quot;Foolish or wise?&quot; Grr...

Nice contribution about Mother&#039;s Day! It&#039;s not one of my favorite holidays just because of the mindless platitudes often spouted from the pulpit. So, good job and nice talk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooo! I&#8217;d love to hear (or give) a talk on &#8220;How the gospel of Jesus Christ empowers women to be leaders in society&#8221;! I&#8217;m a big believer that the gospel and the church empower women in a variety of roles. But, I don&#8217;t think all women in the church feel that way, and many women and men could benefit from hearing this message again.</p>
<p>Glad you got to highlight another favorite of mine. It irks me to hear the &#8220;are you a <i>Mary</i> or a <i>Martha</i>?&#8221; question (even when not posed exactly that way). In fact, there&#8217;s a song on one of the Women of Destiny CDs entitled &#8220;Foolish or Wise&#8221; I can&#8217;t stand to listen to because it references the Mary and Martha story and then transitions to the chorus with &#8220;Foolish or wise?&#8221; Grr&#8230;</p>
<p>Nice contribution about Mother&#8217;s Day! It&#8217;s not one of my favorite holidays just because of the mindless platitudes often spouted from the pulpit. So, good job and nice talk!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by Kim Siever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Siever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 02:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, the talk is linked now.

annegb, I love speaking in church. I enjoy public speaking (I am a drama major after all) and I love teaching from the scriptures, so this allows me to do both.

And I would rather not be in your bishopric. I have no aspirations to be in anyone’s bishopric. Having served as both ward clerk (and now) executive secretary, I have seen enough to know I’d never want to be a counsellor or a bishop.

sbanks, thanks. I just didn’t think it would be fair if I complained but offered no alternatives.

Tim, I honestly think the ignorant are the worst speakers. They don’t think about their words and assume everyone believes as they do.

Mark B, AMEN!

Thanks for all the comments everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, the talk is linked now.</p>
<p>annegb, I love speaking in church. I enjoy public speaking (I am a drama major after all) and I love teaching from the scriptures, so this allows me to do both.</p>
<p>And I would rather not be in your bishopric. I have no aspirations to be in anyone’s bishopric. Having served as both ward clerk (and now) executive secretary, I have seen enough to know I’d never want to be a counsellor or a bishop.</p>
<p>sbanks, thanks. I just didn’t think it would be fair if I complained but offered no alternatives.</p>
<p>Tim, I honestly think the ignorant are the worst speakers. They don’t think about their words and assume everyone believes as they do.</p>
<p>Mark B, AMEN!</p>
<p>Thanks for all the comments everyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by annegb</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonmentality.org/2012/05/16/the-complexity-of-women-or-how-not-to-further-the-boredom-of-mothers-day.htm/comment-page-1#comment-140749</link>
		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 20:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my best Mother&#039;s Day was last year with our daughter in a Young Marrieds ward. The talks were lovely and we got a nice little plaque PLUS 2 Lindor&#039;s truffles.  

I think they (whoever invents all these special days) it to Womens Day.  To honor the potential in all of us and the contributions women make to the world, whether they&#039;ve given birth or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my best Mother&#8217;s Day was last year with our daughter in a Young Marrieds ward. The talks were lovely and we got a nice little plaque PLUS 2 Lindor&#8217;s truffles.  </p>
<p>I think they (whoever invents all these special days) it to Womens Day.  To honor the potential in all of us and the contributions women make to the world, whether they&#8217;ve given birth or not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 20:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a wonderful alternative in our singles branch--we spoke, as we try to every Sunday, about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  I see no reason why what we do in our Sunday worship services should be driven by Hallmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a wonderful alternative in our singles branch&#8211;we spoke, as we try to every Sunday, about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  I see no reason why what we do in our Sunday worship services should be driven by Hallmark.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 16:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had Fast and Testimony meeting on Mother&#039;s Day due to a Regional Conference the Sunday before.  

At least bishoprics can exclude the very worst from giving talks on Mother&#039;s Day.  No such luck on Mother&#039;s Day.  One guy bashed working mothers, and there was all sorts of other insensitive comments made by unthinking people.  Yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had Fast and Testimony meeting on Mother&#8217;s Day due to a Regional Conference the Sunday before.  </p>
<p>At least bishoprics can exclude the very worst from giving talks on Mother&#8217;s Day.  No such luck on Mother&#8217;s Day.  One guy bashed working mothers, and there was all sorts of other insensitive comments made by unthinking people.  Yuck.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by sbanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 16:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard people complaining about traditional Mother&#039;s Day programs for decades.  But these are the first viable alternatives that have hit my ears.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard people complaining about traditional Mother&#8217;s Day programs for decades.  But these are the first viable alternatives that have hit my ears.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Complexity of Women (or, how NOT to further the boredom of Mother&#8217;s Day) by annegb</title>
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		<dc:creator>annegb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Kim---I can&#039;t believe you love to give talks! I agree that Mother&#039;s Day is boring at best as the speakers try to find a new way (although some don&#039;t, they&#039;re scared to death, and just want to get through it:)) to touch on the subject as you first outlined.  

Our ward---maybe the whole church---has gone to rather boring formats altogether.  No missionary farewells.  No dramatics.  I guess they were hoping for more spiritual meetings, but taking the personality out of the talks has resulted in much LESS spiritual meetings.  Seldom do I hear inspiring talks.  And I also think why not inspire us to celebrate an individual?  

We&#039;re not supposed to laugh in meetings, crying is allowed, as long as it doesn&#039;t get too gut wrenching, we&#039;re not supposed to get personal at all.

So our meetings become very much like the books Deseret Books puts out: bland, boring and uninspiring.

Good for you for championing women.  I wish you were in my bishopric :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Kim&#8212;I can&#8217;t believe you love to give talks! I agree that Mother&#8217;s Day is boring at best as the speakers try to find a new way (although some don&#8217;t, they&#8217;re scared to death, and just want to get through it:)) to touch on the subject as you first outlined.  </p>
<p>Our ward&#8212;maybe the whole church&#8212;has gone to rather boring formats altogether.  No missionary farewells.  No dramatics.  I guess they were hoping for more spiritual meetings, but taking the personality out of the talks has resulted in much LESS spiritual meetings.  Seldom do I hear inspiring talks.  And I also think why not inspire us to celebrate an individual?  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re not supposed to laugh in meetings, crying is allowed, as long as it doesn&#8217;t get too gut wrenching, we&#8217;re not supposed to get personal at all.</p>
<p>So our meetings become very much like the books Deseret Books puts out: bland, boring and uninspiring.</p>
<p>Good for you for championing women.  I wish you were in my bishopric :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bishops I Have Known by living in zion</title>
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		<dc:creator>living in zion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naismith - I think you are right, each wards needs sets the tone for what kind of work the bishop will do. I am glad you and your husband were able to fulfill the needs of the people you served. It is a tough job, one I personally wouldn&#039;t ever want.

 Honestly, my feminist girlfriends who rail about not having the Priesthood,  not being able to be the bishop, etc. I think they are crazy. My hands are full dealing with all the stuff my husband can&#039;t do. I am so not interested in looking for more work to do. 
Besides, as a bishops wife you know better than anyone the ugly truth - people are crazy.

I have been lucky to be in a few wards where the welfare/sickness/funeral needs were low so the bishop could focus on other things. It seems to me the trick is to live in a ward boundary with lots of rich members. There no poverty in the members, sickness was covered privately and funerals were pre-paid.

 Makes life much easier than the wards we have been in that were full of low-income apartment complexes of poor elderly, single parents and disabled members. That is where bishops are pulled to the end of the rope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naismith &#8211; I think you are right, each wards needs sets the tone for what kind of work the bishop will do. I am glad you and your husband were able to fulfill the needs of the people you served. It is a tough job, one I personally wouldn&#8217;t ever want.</p>
<p> Honestly, my feminist girlfriends who rail about not having the Priesthood,  not being able to be the bishop, etc. I think they are crazy. My hands are full dealing with all the stuff my husband can&#8217;t do. I am so not interested in looking for more work to do.<br />
Besides, as a bishops wife you know better than anyone the ugly truth &#8211; people are crazy.</p>
<p>I have been lucky to be in a few wards where the welfare/sickness/funeral needs were low so the bishop could focus on other things. It seems to me the trick is to live in a ward boundary with lots of rich members. There no poverty in the members, sickness was covered privately and funerals were pre-paid.</p>
<p> Makes life much easier than the wards we have been in that were full of low-income apartment complexes of poor elderly, single parents and disabled members. That is where bishops are pulled to the end of the rope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bishops I Have Known by Aaron R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 09:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post and I love the insight you bring to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post and I love the insight you bring to this.</p>
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